Has anyone discovered a successful way to make religious people atheist?

[Goosebump]

Is that real? Do they really give out fake money?

They're tracts that look like money; they leave them as tips for unsuspecting waiters. Because, y'know, that's how you get converts! 

Wow that's a huge dick move. Are they not suppose to be charitable?

[The Valkyrie]

Is that real? Do they really give out fake money?

They're tracts that look like money; they leave them as tips for unsuspecting waiters. Because, y'know, that's how you get converts! 

Some give them as "tips" to servers in restaurants.

Personally, there's not much lower than that, when it comes to proselytising..

[TheRocketSurgeon]

They think they *are* being charitable, by giving the "gift" of salvation instead of greed-inducing money.

Like many of their ideas on how to be properly faithful/religious, they're really just walking advertisements for atheism.

[Goosebump]

They're tracts that look like money; they leave them as tips for unsuspecting waiters. Because, y'know, that's how you get converts! 

Some give them as "tips" to servers in restaurants.

Personally, there's not much lower than that, when it comes to proselytising..

There is lower in "tips", my cousin got a message on the back of the check that was (and I'm paraphrasing): "Here is a tip, get some plastic surgery done asap!"

[TheRocketSurgeon]

Personally, there's not much lower than that, when it comes to proselytising..

There is lower in "tips", my cousin got a message on the back of the check that was (and I'm paraphrasing): "Here is a tip, get some plastic surgery done asap!"

Wooooowwwwwwwww... now that  might just be a legitimate defense to a jury, after you beat that person's face in.

[Won2blv]

I've been getting a lot of proselytizing door-knockers lately... I think I'll post a sign on my door that says, "My time is worth $50/hour. If you intend to discuss religion with me, I will take $25 in advance, and you may speak to me for a half-hour, or $50 for the full hour. Cash only please."

Make sure it's real money, not those fake notes they love to use.

Hey now, we have never stooped to that level

[Won2blv]

There's a sign next to my door advising religious people not to knock if they're pushing their beliefs.

Anyway, most of my family are JoHos, too.

I've been getting a lot of proselytizing door-knockers lately... I think I'll post a sign on my door that says, "My time is worth $50/hour. If you intend to discuss religion with me, I will take $25 in advance, and you may speak to me for a half-hour, or $50 for the full hour. Cash only please."

Good luck, JW's live on pretty tight budgets. Actually a genius idea to keep them at bay. Mormons on the other hand, they might take you up on it. And come on, don't sell yourself short. You're worth at least 55/hr

[Won2blv]

Well lets start with the fact that its not as simple as saying an orange is an apple...

That was cute, kudos! However you could have put in a few breaks so it's easier on the eyes and to follow.

I think your describing the "ideal receptive theist" as your example theist. I don't think you'll see many of them around here. I've also never met one and over 80% of the people in my family and life are theists. 

I can ask questions and about their beliefs but by and large they have other things to worry about and just take a "god" lower case intended as a given. To them it's like gravity and it controls stuff like luck. That's the "weekend" theist I was talking about earlier. It's not a big deal to them.

In order for you to feel "under attack" you have to be invested. "Weekend" theists aren't, at least in my experience. I can empathize the shit out of their experience but when it comes to their "trusting in a luck god" who would I do that as a atheist? How would I do that without separating parts of my thoughts and cutting them off from each-other?

I can fake it. I can be like, yah lady luck, wow, guess she's on your side tonight. But it's still bullshit. Should I then bullshit somebody when engaged in debate with a theist? 

How exactly do you see a atheist "putting themselves in the shoes" of a theist? 

Also, just to bring this back up... how about the theist "putting themselves in the shoes" of an atheist? How do they do that?

What's being talked about requires a fundamentally different way of thinking. You 'can't just fake that, you can't pretend to understand somebody who actively and truly believes in some imaginary shit. Conversely you can't believe in something totally then pretend it doesn't exist.

I think what your asking is for people to be civil with each-other. aka: cut the name calling, foul language, character attacks and generalizations. I'm all for that. But you have an unrealistic expectation if you think atheists should or could "put themselves into the theists" shoes and vise versa.

What I am simply saying is that if you're genuinely asking for a successful way to make religious people atheist, then being more empathetic is key to it. That doesn't mean that you have to pretend to be a theist, or expect them to pretend to be atheist. It simply means that you have reason with them in a way that is bridge building instead of missile throwing

[Won2blv]

Is that real? Do they really give out fake money?

They're tracts that look like money; they leave them as tips for unsuspecting waiters. Because, y'know, that's how you get converts! 

Just to be clear, this is not a JW tract

[Goosebump]

That was cute, kudos! However you could have put in a few breaks so it's easier on the eyes and to follow.

I think your describing the "ideal receptive theist" as your example theist. I don't think you'll see many of them around here. I've also never met one and over 80% of the people in my family and life are theists. 

I can ask questions and about their beliefs but by and large they have other things to worry about and just take a "god" lower case intended as a given. To them it's like gravity and it controls stuff like luck. That's the "weekend" theist I was talking about earlier. It's not a big deal to them.

In order for you to feel "under attack" you have to be invested. "Weekend" theists aren't, at least in my experience. I can empathize the shit out of their experience but when it comes to their "trusting in a luck god" who would I do that as a atheist? How would I do that without separating parts of my thoughts and cutting them off from each-other?

I can fake it. I can be like, yah lady luck, wow, guess she's on your side tonight. But it's still bullshit. Should I then bullshit somebody when engaged in debate with a theist? 

How exactly do you see a atheist "putting themselves in the shoes" of a theist? 

Also, just to bring this back up... how about the theist "putting themselves in the shoes" of an atheist? How do they do that?

What's being talked about requires a fundamentally different way of thinking. You 'can't just fake that, you can't pretend to understand somebody who actively and truly believes in some imaginary shit. Conversely you can't believe in something totally then pretend it doesn't exist.

I think what your asking is for people to be civil with each-other. aka: cut the name calling, foul language, character attacks and generalizations. I'm all for that. But you have an unrealistic expectation if you think atheists should or could "put themselves into the theists" shoes and vise versa.

What I am simply saying is that if you're genuinely asking for a successful way to make religious people atheist, then being more empathetic is key to it. That doesn't mean that you have to pretend to be a theist, or expect them to pretend to be atheist. It simply means that you have reason with them in a way that is bridge building instead of missile throwing

Right, civility. Empathy is impossible.