Hope for America!!

[ErGingerbreadMandude]

Lol, well I'm not really sure it's limited to women, but not talking to each other sounds like a smarter option than war to me.

Sure sure

[Thumpalumpacus]

Indeed, why is he against abortion, then? If he doesn't care about the child's life after a particular age, why should he care about the child's life before a particular age?

Where does apathy start, or stop?

I will love my son forever -- or at least until I die -- and I will never stop caring about him, his decisions, or the consequences of his decisions.

Nor will I ever say, "Meh, he's eighteen, I don't need to help him out any more." I reckon that love doesn't have an expiry date.

But then again, I'm not a fundamentalist cunt like ole Drich here.

This is Christianity taken to its logical end, folks. Enjoy the show.

Drich talks a lot about obligation and he has demonstrated in this thread that he doesn't have, or even understand the concept or importance of empathy. He is quite literally a sociopath. The world must be a very strange place for him and he probably can't understand why people don't follow the same rules that he does or listen to what he has to say. This is why people like him believe in objective morality and need to believe in a higher power. It's the only way that they can function in society. Otherwise, why even try fulfilling your obligations? It's why he believes that other people follow a pop morality that can be dismissed. Because he can't understand it.

He is living in a better world because other humans have empathy. Society has been getting better for everyone, including animals, over the course of recent history. He cannot understand that what he is advocating is regressive, not progressive because he does not understand the role of empathy in society. So not only is he freeloading on the gains made by countless generations before him, he's trying to revert the progress that has been made.

We are a successful species precisely because we have empathy. If a predator kills one of us, we all gang up and kill the predator. If we look after everyone then everyone looks after us when we need it. Society can only improve if no one is left behind. Empathy is ingrained into the very essence of what it means to be human, and in this regard, Drich is sorely lacking.

That's right. If the only reason he behaves is because of his fantastic beliefs, I hope he keeps his faith.

[Thumpalumpacus]

Lol, well I'm not really sure it's limited to women, but not talking to each other sounds like a smarter option than war to me.

The only thing a war ever settled is the occasional corporate debt.

[Drich]

If the kid does not have sense enough not to run out in traffic, and does not have sense or respect for his teacher not to kick and spit in her face then common sense should be telling you that empathy is not a concern he has nor will he have. The child must first be centered and taken out of the mind set that has him endangering himself and others first and foremost. Then he is to be taught not to kick and spit. Once he can be reason with then you can bring in the lessons on empathy. Otherwise what do you think will happen when you try and talk about empathy when his mind is on running out into traffic?

You're assuming that the children have the same level of intellect as you. A lot of children can be very bright and can understand such things as cause, effect and consequences. You could just as easily tell your child about the consequences of running into traffic and scare them into not doing it. Or even show them pictures. Many times children just haven't had a chance to really think about things rather than because they are being naughty. I know that would have cured me of running into traffic more than being beaten would have.

You're assuming that the children have the same level of intellect as you. All of those pictures and long winded explanations? What do you carry that stuff with you every where you go? (pictures of mutilated kids who go ran over by cars?) Remember too this little monster kicked and spit on the person trying to reason with him.
Pain rather a swift sharp pain in the be-hind communicates on all levels speaks all languages and teaches the slowest kid as well as the sharpest the same universal lesson. No, and don't let me catch you doing that again.

And you say that the child was kicking and spitting. How do we know that the child was not kicking and spitting because he was brought up in a household that regularly beat him? Naughtiness is not necessarily a default behaviour but it can be trained into children.

Because if you watch the video the mom says the boy is rarely if ever disciplined. (The mom never hit him and the dad may take his hat and dust his bottom with it from time to time.)

[Drich]

because she does not follow your/our parenting model. She believes in manipulating and controlling her kids the rest of her life for the sake of 'empathy.'

I believe children should be educated and able to make their own decisions. I also know that the associations that you make in a child's brain will stay with them for life and that this requires a lot of responsibility.

You haven't even demonstrated that you know what empathy is. Demonstrate to us that you understand the concept and what it means, rather than some dictionary definition.

Maybe you should start an empathy thread, or take this discussion where it can be topical and focused on. Empathy has no business here in this thread.

[abaris]

Maybe you should start an empathy thread, or take this discussion where it can be topical and focused on. Empathy has no business here in this thread.

You know, thinking that empathy has no place here, pretty much says all there is to say about you.

[Drich]

Empathy here is not a consideration. What is, is the development of the child. In that I do not care in what he or she feels at the moment of a good swat, what is being considered is the long term respect, accountability, and adherence to their obligations as a member of a family or community.

To talk about empathy in this discussion is as meaningless as talking about how mud 'feels' when it's being driven over. Yes if you were the mud it sucks, but at the same time the goal is not mud that feels good it's crossing the mud in your truck or car without getting stuck.

Who cares what the mud feels like when the goal is moving your car or truck in a given direction.

So you are unable to demonstrate that you understand the concept of empathy or why it is important. You talk about obligation and nothing else.

How do you know that this isn't a result of how your father beat you as a child?

Or they can simply thank me as I did my father for teaching me discipline and accountability.

I hope it were that simple/Beat a child, and teach him accountability and resolute obligation. But as so many of you hippy douches can attest you were beaten and all the wrong things happened or were supposedly the result of it.

It wasn't the beating or the tearing down of the child's will that should be the focus. its the rebuilding of the child in the right direction after the beating that is the difference between blind aggression than makes hippy douche bags and instilling discipline and accountability.

[Drich]

I can train any dog without hitting it.

nupe.

You can only train a blank slate of a dog. You can not 'train a dog' who has been train to eat your ass if I tell it to. the only thing going to stop a dog like that is a beating or deadly force.

[abaris]

Idiot. I hope you have the capacity to take that personally. Training a dog by beating it is creating an animal sociopath. But why would a sociopath understand that?

[Whateverist]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8hvpg43ZyY

This warms the heart to see this little brat being held accountable to his actions. There is hope in those tears IF and only if the parents show the same consistent resolve at home!

If you Spare the rod, You will Spoil (make no good) a Child!

You really are one sick twisted fuck aren't you.  Keep your snuff and child abuse vids to yourself asshole.