A challenge to any and all religions collectively.

[vorlon13]

Christianity already has a convenient and super accurate demonstration recorded perfectly and inerrantly in sacred scripture;



we can ascertain them in our midst by their unfailing ability to heal the sick with a laying on of the hands (good thing too considering some of the other stuff on the list), an ability to speak in tongues, and they can handle deadly serpents without dying and they can safely imbibe poison.

Anyone wanting to step up to the plate and do a bit of Holy convincing is certainly welcome.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

But the religious already KNOW that their beliefs are untestable.  To even offer the challenge is what is stupid.  You seem to think that because they would decline your stupid challenge this means they know that their beliefs are false.  The opposite is actually the case.

Boru

Yea, it is so stupid to challenge anything, that is why humans still think the earth is flat, and that the heart does the thinking and not the brain.

Lol, no it isn't stupid to challenge anything. But your challenge and your expected response to it are stupid. Religionists are adamant that they claims cannot be examined clinically (most religionists, at least). So you issue a challenge for them to have their claims tested clinically. To compound the stupidity of the issue, you accuse religionists who don't accept your challenge of being unsure about the validity of their beliefs. The rock-bound faith that keeps the idiocy of religion alive does so precisely because of claims that it is untestable. It is the fact that religionists are sure they're right is why they wouldn't accept your challenge in the first place.

If this isn't clear, let me know and I'll try again.

Boru

[Brian37]

Yea, it is so stupid to challenge anything, that is why humans still think the earth is flat, and that the heart does the thinking and not the brain.

Lol, no it isn't stupid to challenge anything.  But your challenge and your expected response to it are stupid.  Religionists are adamant that they claims cannot be examined clinically (most religionists, at least).  So you issue a challenge for them to have their claims tested clinically.  To compound the stupidity of the issue, you accuse religionists who don't accept your challenge of being unsure about the validity of their beliefs.  The rock-bound faith that keeps the idiocy of religion alive does so precisely because of claims that it is untestable.  It is the fact that religionists are sure they're right is why they wouldn't accept your challenge in the first place.

If this isn't clear, let me know and I'll try again.

Boru

Again, of course they are untestable, that is the entire point of my OP, they know they are not, otherwise they'd do it.

[Minimalist]

When a Catholic takes part in the sacrament of the Eucharist, she believes that the bread and wine change their substance into the body and blood of Christ, but they don't change their elemental form - to any conceivable test, the remain bread and wine.

[Brian37]

http://www.cnsnews.com/commentary/j-matt...-gods-word

^^^^^^^ Seems religious people DO make claims about science agreeing with their religion. So please explain to me why "fine, get it in a lab" would be wrong to challenge them with. Sure we know they cant do it, and ultimately wont do it. But it is certainly fair to call their bluff.

Hindus also like to claim science matches their religion

http://hinduismfacts.org/hindu-science/

And Jews think science points to their club.

http://thecenterforappliedjudaism.org/

Muslims think science is proven in the Quran.

http://www.islamreligion.com/category/34...oly-quran/

Buddhists think so too.

http://national.deseretnews.com/article/...ience.html

Now again, you wont see a mix of them ever, even those who have science degrees, ever make the goal to figure out which one is the correct one. But, if every religion does this I think it is extremely important to call their bluff because all of these religions DO have a very real influence on politics globally.

[vorlon13]

When a Catholic takes part in the sacrament of the Eucharist, she believes that the bread and wine change their substance into the body and blood of Christ, but they don't change their elemental form - to any conceivable test, the remain bread and wine.

Indeed, every time a catholic believer with celiac problems reacts to a jesus biscuit, it is demonstrable proof (LOL, and proof beyond anything the catholics have about any of their beliefs) that the catholic beliefs surrounding transubstantiation are false.

That the church poobahs nevertheless decree the biscuits still contain gluten regardless is really, really stupid if you think about it.

It's another religion 101 thing, don't keep rubbing believers nose in shit that disproves the faith.  If transubstantiation were true, and realizing there is no recipe for jesus biscuits recorded in scripture, transubstantiation would work on anything ingested that the believer believed to be an authentic biscuit regardless of its composition.

[Excited Penguin]

If you wish to dissuade religious people from their dogmatic ideologies, you're going about it wrong. Provocating them will accomplish exactly nothing, not to mention theists are a minority on this forum, and we know all of them. Whom exactly did you think you were going to persuade with this thread?

[Brian37]

If you wish to dissuade religious people from their dogmatic ideologies, you're going about it wrong. Provocating them will accomplish exactly nothing, not to mention theists are a minority on this forum, and we know all of them. Whom exactly did you think you were going to persuade with this thread?

Um no sorry, if humans never questioned social norms our species never would have left the caves. There is no one way to do this, that is simplistic binary thinking. 

Do your own thing, I am not making any demands about how you go about it, speak for yourself, don't speak for me.

[Minimalist]

That the church poobahs nevertheless decree the biscuits still contain gluten regardless is really, really stupid if you think about it.

Obviously, gluten stocks are in their portfolio.

[vorlon13]

Gluten is a constituent of chem trails too.


You always suspected that, and now we know.