Who do you think you are, tiny humans? why I believe

[Edwardo Piet]

You hurt my turtle feelings!

Hammy

[Rhondazvous]

I guess trying to make humans feel insignificant is something else Allah has in common with so many other gods men have created. This need is a sign of insecurity since a being who is all powerful wouldn't have anything to gain from it..

[WinterHold]

You hurt my turtle feelings!

Hammy

Rhondazvous

I look at it as a description of reality, the concept is that the ultimate form of power rules, we see it everyday, the cycles of the sun and the moon for example, enforce themselves on us, if I described life on earth as a "powerless,dependent object", then I'm describing reality: take off the sun and the moon, and earth will starve.

The concept of God is the same, but on much higher scale. Since he is the ultimate form of power, then we will subdue either forced, or willingly, just we subdue to the cycles of the sun and the moon, to the lack of oxygen in the cosmos...etc.

It only seems bigoted and hurts, when the God we worship is a human-like entity like -in my opinion- Jesus or Buddha, Zeus too.
And Islam, between all religions, does indeed say "don't try to imagine God because you won't be able to"...That's my concept anyhow

A human don't get to enslave you, after all.

[Rhondazvous]

Rhondazvous

I look at it as a description of reality, the concept is that the ultimate form of power rules, we see it everyday, the cycles of the sun and the moon for example, enforce themselves on us, if I described life on earth as a "powerless,dependent object", then I'm describing reality: take off the sun and the moon, and earth will starve.

The concept of God is the same, but on much higher scale. Since he is the ultimate form of power, then we will subdue either forced, or willingly, just we subdue to the cycles of the sun and the moon, to the lack of oxygen in the cosmos...etc.

It only seems bigoted and hurts, when the God we worship is a human-like entity like -in my opinion- Jesus or Buddha, Zeus too.
And Islam, between all religions, does indeed say "don't try to imagine God because you won't be able to"...That's my concept anyhow

A human don't get to enslave you, after all.

I have conversed with you before, and developed respect for you. Perhaps we can come to an understanding here as well.

No, we cannot imagine god. If we even describe him as a he or a she, we bring him down to the level of human language, so to even speak of god we are forced to speak lies. A righteous god would not send me to hell for not being able to do more than I was created to do. He won’t send me to hell for not believing in any of the gods men have told me about.

There is so much confusion because of all the gods men have created. Why does an all-powerful god allow so much confusion? If the message he gave to Muhammad is the only way to know him, why did he allow humans to walk in darkness until only a few hundred years ago? Were the humans who lived before Muhammad so evil that Allah deemed them unworthy? How could there be any reason beyond the power of an all-powerful god? And why am I threatened with hell for not understanding what is beyond human comprehension?

[robvalue]

I can quite easily imagine a potential god: a computer programmer.

It's the insistence on all the bells and whistles and reams of vague superlative attributes that clouds the issue into obscurity.

[WinterHold]

(Some kind of error happened..I'll repeat this)

[WinterHold]

I have conversed with you before, and developed respect for you. Perhaps we can come to an understanding here as well.

No, we cannot imagine god. If we even describe him as a he or a she, we bring him down to the level of human language, so to even speak of god we are forced to speak lies.   A righteous god would not send me to hell for not being able to do more than I was created to do.  He won’t send me to hell for not believing in any of the gods men have told me about.  

There is so much confusion because of all the gods men have created. Why does an all-powerful god allow so much confusion? If the message he gave to Muhammad is the only way to know him, why did he allow humans to walk in darkness until only a few hundred years ago? Were the humans who lived before Muhammad so evil that Allah deemed them unworthy? How could there be any reason beyond the power of an all-powerful god? And why am I threatened with hell for not understanding what is beyond human comprehension?

I apologize for the delay, you gotta hate it when you write that one large comment, and see it just vanish >< 

It's very tempting for human beings to imagine things, in lots of cases our imagination draws the conclusion, I totally think that religion -also in lots of cases- is the product of a certain imagination, if the "vision" of that certain somebody; his/her "imagination" was good enough, masses will follow, as it is the cases with new fashions.

Depending on the scenario, God becomes a female, or a male, a Zeus, an Arab sultan with a huge sword, or perhaps: a calf. I
Humans always need to imagine, then draw, producing an idol to hang on to. 

Things are blurry because life is a mere test; it's not fair. That actually, produced the perfect environment for a test.

We can't describe him perfectly through words; but that's what holy books are for anyways: being a God, he should be the master of speech and linguistic rules. He shouldn't find a problem communicating with us, through a book..the perfect trojan horse; that is, we should first feel his presence, then read and believe. Hell is a consequence for failing to see the truth; for failing to see it, means the corruption of everything, one way or another..

[WinterHold]

I can quite easily imagine a potential god: a computer programmer.

It's the insistence on all the bells and whistles and reams of vague superlative attributes that clouds the issue into obscurity.

The human mind should see through the clouds, the mind has what it takes, it is we who choose to either enrich it, or weakening it.
I blame parents who don't take their kids to watch the sunrise,  I blame the adult-people who don't watch the sunset though when they grow up; that is in case their parents never took them

[robvalue]

I... have no idea what you're talking about, but it sounded quite cool

[WinterHold]

I... have no idea what you're talking about, but it sounded quite cool

Our brains are capable of seeing through the heavy clouds
Observing natural phenomena make our logic better and better in bypassing the obsticles in the source code.

Parents should take their kids to observe..my parents never took me, so I went when I grew up; even if the sunset and sunrise were ruined by the urban environment, but I observed, I blame the other guys who never observed.