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Evidence for atheist claims
RE: Evidence for atheist claims
Indeed. A claim like, "The fundamental architecture of reality is an uncreated ego" scarcely needs evidence to refute it. It should be a non-starter.
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RE: Evidence for atheist claims
(May 7, 2016 at 5:56 pm)Gemini Wrote:
(May 3, 2016 at 4:51 am)Wryetui Wrote: I am starting this post because, so far, no atheist ever showed me evidence for their beliefs (or as you say, "lack of beliefs") and I am curious. 
It is trivially easy to point out evidence for atheist beliefs (e.g., the evidential argument from evil). I am astonished that you have never encountered such an argument from an atheist before.

If you look through Rik's writing you'll find that he isn't a typical Christian.  He is here to tell us all religions are wrong including our atheistic one.  But he'll come at you for tossing God from the train.   Dodgy
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RE: Evidence for atheist claims
(May 7, 2016 at 6:41 pm)Whateverist the White Wrote:
(May 7, 2016 at 5:56 pm)Gemini Wrote: It is trivially easy to point out evidence for atheist beliefs (e.g., the evidential argument from evil). I am astonished that you have never encountered such an argument from an atheist before.

If you look through Rik's writing you'll find that he isn't a typical Christian.  He is here to tell us all religions are wrong including our atheistic one.  But he'll come at you for tossing God from the train.   Dodgy

I'm guessing he knows the TRVTH. Good for him. 

Ima still toss God from the train. And I'm an atheist who is 0% religious. Because believing (and not believing) things isn't enough to make a person religious.
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RE: Evidence for atheist claims
(May 3, 2016 at 4:51 am)Wryetui Wrote: If God did not create the earth, how is it that we have an earth here and we live in it? Also, I beg, provide evidence for your claims.

Hmmm... I'm going to be optimistic and assume that you're not an irrational loon, and the question you really want to get at is- Why universe with us in it rather than no universe and no us? If I've assumed correctly, then you accept scientific explanations to the point where they get hazy and you are expecting me to either prove an "Atheistic claim" regarding the origins of The Big Bang that led to an earth with us on it or accept that a god did it. 

I hope this is a false dichotomy, because if it is a real one, I'm not liking these options. But lets think this out...

 On one hand, I am an Atheist, I don't know anything about the origins of the big bang;  so I can't really make any claims regarding things I don't know anything about. On the other hand, I also don't know anything about any gods. I've never seen one, and I don't know if making universes is something a god does. So, I still can't make any claims about them either nor do I have any reason to believe things I have no basis for. 

So...what's my move here? It seems that you are going to need  to tell me some more things that Atheists are expected to believe so I can know what you are wanting me to say next.
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RE: Evidence for atheist claims
Well golly! The new gal Gemini seems bright as a tack and, right on schedule, Reality Salesman is back to set poor Rik straight. The smart in the room just went way up.
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...and I'm here to bring it right back down. Tongue
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RE: Evidence for atheist claims
For the sake of this conversation, we can define Atheism and Theism like this:

Theists: People who believe that they have heard a true story that explains what happened "before" the big bang.

Atheists: People who have heard the theistic stories, but they do not believe them.

None of this implies that Atheists hold a competing belief about an alternative explanation of the phenomenon in question, it just means they don't believe the one you think is true. Make sense?
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RE: Evidence for atheist claims
What's up old man????!! Missed you guys. Glad to see there's still an abundance of nonsense on the forums. Keeps it fun!
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Boy, you're not kidding. I've been thinking we need to change the name from the atheist forums to the atheist chat line. But every now and then someone goes deep. Sometimes that does not even involve a bottle.
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RE: Evidence for atheist claims
(May 7, 2016 at 5:56 pm)Gemini Wrote:
(May 3, 2016 at 4:51 am)Wryetui Wrote: I am starting this post because, so far, no atheist ever showed me evidence for their beliefs (or as you say, "lack of beliefs") and I am curious. 
It is trivially easy to point out evidence for atheist beliefs (e.g., the evidential argument from evil). I am astonished that you have never encountered such an argument from an atheist before.

You'll learn pretty quickly that they have, in fact, heard many such arguments from us. They simply do not listen.

I would posit that they cannot listen, because their programming is too deeply embedded to allow such a "syntax error - does not compute" to register on the hard drive. They "know" what we think, already, because their social circles and preachers told them, and that's all there is to it. The best part are the anti-science crowd, to whom you can provide mountains of actual evidence, to whom you can demonstrate that their ad-hoc explanations of the physical impossibility of many of the Bible's claims hold no water (lately, we've been discussing Noah's Flood), and you will still have them wave it off as if you had said nothing, let alone demonstrated unequivocally that their propositions were not only false but impossible. Because magic!

And as always, there's the never ending confusion on their part about the difference between being an atheist ("I do not believe your religious claims") and a nihilist ("Vee beleef in nossssing, Lebowsky!")... or they think that acceptance of the scientific method of testing ideas means atheism. And so on. It gets exhausting, pretty quickly, trying to debunk so much bullshit on an endless cycle, even with the same people.
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost

I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.

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