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There is no "I" in "You"
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RE: There is no "I" in "You"
May 19, 2016 at 12:47 pm
(May 18, 2016 at 3:54 am)quip Wrote: I'm specifically and explicitly not positing any form of deity. I'm simply offering up food for thought...a "reasonable doubt" to the atheist perspective, if you will.


I wonder if you could point to this food for thought. I'm not a big fan of words.
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RE: There is no "I" in "You"
May 19, 2016 at 12:52 pm
(May 18, 2016 at 4:21 am)quip Wrote: "Why" was/is the philosophical catalyst for all advancement.


Why is that and what do you think there is to advance to?
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RE: There is no "I" in "You"
May 19, 2016 at 12:57 pm (This post was last modified: May 19, 2016 at 1:02 pm by Whateverist.)
I've got someone I want you to meet, quipster. I'll PM Rik and see if he'd like to straighten you out, high five you or slap you across the head. I'm sure you'll find it very enlightening.
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RE: There is no "I" in "You"
May 19, 2016 at 12:59 pm (This post was last modified: May 19, 2016 at 1:04 pm by quip.)
(May 19, 2016 at 12:30 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote:
(May 19, 2016 at 12:12 pm)quip Wrote: Good response. Is the self itself such a generated illusion?  What exactly is the self..is it the body, mind or some odd commingling of both?

Well, I think our resident atheists have done a good job approaching this question for you already.  The consensus here in this thread is that our egocentric sense of self is the result of the experience of consciousness, generated by our brains.  So, a combination of both.  Maybe scientists will explore this subject sometime in the near future, as I do find it quite fascinating.

Well, they've aptly reduced the issue to a brain process.  Though the idea of identity remains problematic....one popular thought experiment involves the downloading/overwriting  of ones memories, personality, experiences etc. onto another's brain. Say, you've just had the contents of your brain (effectively "you", supra) uploaded to another's brain. How is this particular self identified....is it a new self in a new body; the old self in new body; old body, new self? How would others identify this new conglomeration...by form or function?
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RE: There is no "I" in "You"
May 19, 2016 at 1:03 pm (This post was last modified: May 19, 2016 at 1:04 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
We have?  LOL, news to me.  Seems that there must have been more than brain processes involved in making me who I am, after all...the length of my legs doesn't have much to do with a brain process.
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RE: There is no "I" in "You"
May 19, 2016 at 1:05 pm
Sorry to cut out with only half the thread read so far.  I've responded to what I thought was significant.  I'll check back when I return to see if you respond to any of it.  

I'll You'll see you me later.
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There is no "I" in "You"
May 19, 2016 at 1:15 pm
(May 19, 2016 at 12:57 pm)Whateverist the White Wrote: I've got someone I want you to meet, quipster. I'll PM Rik and see if he'd like to straighten you out, high five you or slap you across the head. I'm sure you'll find it very enlightening.


Oh, God PLEASE don't redirect LR to any new threads, haha. :: indubitably::

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He makes my head hurt!

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RE: There is no "I" in "You"
May 19, 2016 at 1:18 pm (This post was last modified: May 19, 2016 at 1:18 pm by quip.)
(May 19, 2016 at 1:03 pm)Rhythm Wrote: We have?  LOL, news to me.  Seems that there must have been more than brain processes involved in making me who I am, after all...the length of my legs doesn't have much to do with a brain process.

On the contrary, "my legs" has everything to do with the brain's capacity to identify to them as such.
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RE: There is no "I" in "You"
May 19, 2016 at 1:25 pm
If you put person A's memories and experiences in person B, then you are pretty much erasing both A and B and getting person C, because the mind, body and everything else together forms the unique individual.
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RE: There is no "I" in "You"
May 19, 2016 at 1:27 pm
There is no divisible "I", Cartesian Theater, homunculus or self. There is what we like to call the ego and there is the personality... But people change. Although assholes tend to stay assholeish and lovely people tend to stay lovely xD
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