Well times up Hillary

[Redbeard The Pink]

Except the POTUS doesn't handle affairs like the State department does. You think Obama sends emails? Types emails? Do you think the President is tasked with handling and transmitting sensitive material of any kind at any time? No. The President has people to do that for him. If you think Hillary is at risk of blurting out classified information in public and you think Donald Trump is a lesser risk, then I don't know what to say, that's just lunacy.

No, I'm more concerned about her compromising national security by not doing her job and following proper protocol because she thinks she's too god damn smart and important, and/or because she's weird about hiding things. Trump might blurt things out, sure, but he's also not our only other option.


Also, what you're conveniently forgetting is that Hillary ALSO would have had a full-time online security squad watching her ass if she had done her job right. If she didn't properly utilize the manpower at her disposal while in her current office, why should I expect her to be capable of that as president?

You think this email thing has any bearing whatsoever to the job of the President?

Do I think it matters that the president has the proper awareness of and respect for national security protocols? Do I think it matters that the president does not cut corners at the potential expense of the entire country, especially just to keep her dust under the rug?


Yeah, actually, I do. Shouldn't I?

It doesn't.

Oh. Thanks for clearing that up. I guess I'll just forget about all those totally legitimate concerns then.

It proves she's untrustworthy and out for power. Tell me a politician who isn't.

I realize I risk sounding like a naive young person to most of you hopelessly jaded old people, but I'm a grown-ass man, so I'm gonna say it anyway.


I've been doing the research, and I'm having a very difficult time finding reasons to call Bernie Sanders "untrustworthy." He was arrested for being involved in the American Civil Rights Movement, and he attended an event in 1985 that some people are calling an "anti-America rally." If that's all the "dirt" anyone has been able to dredge up, I feel very safe betting that Sanders is at least more trustworthy than Trump or Hillary, and even that he's probably pretty trustworthy in general.

The way this was handled suggests that she did some things that were either shady or politically damaging and wants to hide it.

Yeah, I guess it can be pretty damaging to a presidential campaign when you illegally and wilfully shit a bunch of national secrets into cyberspace. Life is so unfair.

I don't like Hillary any more than the next guy, but I'm not going to be the guy who gets spoonfed the media hype and parrots it back out.

You're dangerously close to being told to go fuck yourself. Just a heads up.

Hillary's political track record is a good one. She was very popular with her constituents as a Senator. She did an amazing job as Secretary of State, by all accounts except the one Faux News trotted out every day for 4 years. Bernie has even pulled her to the left, which is great in it's own right. We're just in month 18 of dragging her faults through the political spin cycle, and now we all hate her. Even Bernie is starting to look like a bit of an ass after 12 months of campaigning. No one looks good. Least of all Trump, but you are suggesting that a private email server is the capital crime that should mean that Trump will be the next president.

And you're suggesting that ice cream should be illegal, and that soup kitchen workers are fags.


Now that we're done putting words in each other's mouths, no, that is not what I'm suggesting. I'm suggesting that this whole fiasco should knock her out of the race so we can run the candidate who is beating Trump by over 10 points still (last time I checked, anyway).

Supreme Court nominees. People want to ignore that, but it is so fucking monumentally important. At least 2, probably three. Lifetime appointments made by Donald Fucking Trump.

I was actually just talking to someone about that the other day. I am not ignoring that. It's huge. I, for one, don't think I want either Trump or Hillary making those calls, and Hillary has gone dark enough during this primary season that I simply refuse to vote for her on principle. I will not give my vote to someone who disrespects it by rigging elections. If she wants to win on dirty tricks instead of votes, then she's welcome to do that in November.

[Redbeard The Pink]

She stored government secrets on a private server in a basement. She was siphoning government e-mails from a secure goverment network to her private server. Some of the e-mails contain information so secret it's part of the Special Access Program and some of the stuff in the e-mails is so secret the FBI investigators couldn't look at it themselves and had to have the content explained to them.

The sever was unencrypted for three whole months. And we know it got hacked into. Hilary herself, the State Department report says, was worried her server had been compromised. Surely that makes Hilary a criminal? Why do so many otherwise decent, reasonable, people put their fingers in their ears and make the "la-la" sound when he comes to Hilary Clinton? Why do they make an exception for her?

They're just so scared of Trump they'll take any alternative. Hillary is basically running her campaign on people being afraid of the other guy.

[Cato]

What Hillary knowingly did would get anyone fired from their job, not promoted to CEO.

[AFTT47]

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Except the POTUS doesn't handle affairs like the State department does. You think Obama sends emails? Types emails? Do you think the President is tasked with handling and transmitting sensitive material of any kind at any time? No. The President has people to do that for him. If you think Hillary is at risk of blurting out classified information in public and you think Donald Trump is a lesser risk, then I don't know what to say, that's just lunacy.

You think this email thing has any bearing whatsoever to the job of the President? It doesn't. It proves she's untrustworthy and out for power. Tell me a politician who isn't. The way this was handled suggests that she did some things that were either shady or politically damaging and wants to hide it. I don't like Hillary any more than the next guy, but I'm not going to be the guy who gets spoonfed the media hype and parrots it back out.

Hillary's political track record is a good one. She was very popular with her constituents as a Senator. She did an amazing job as Secretary of State, by all accounts except the one Faux News trotted out every day for 4 years. Bernie has even pulled her to the left, which is great in it's own right. We're just in month 18 of dragging her faults through the political spin cycle, and now we all hate her. Even Bernie is starting to look like a bit of an ass after 12 months of campaigning. No one looks good. Least of all Trump, but you are suggesting that a private email server is the capital crime that should mean that Trump will be the next president.

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There won't be any real difference between the people Trump or Hillary will appoint.  The people will be Catholics and Jews from Harvard or Yale.  They will do everything possible to deprive citizens of their liberties and freedoms.

Why don't you take your stupid, Nazi ass to some white supremacist forum where it belongs and stop polluting this one with your stupid shit?

[SteelCurtain]

Just ignore him. That response is exactly what he wants.

He becomes invisible to me as soon as he starts trolling with that shit.

[ReptilianPeon]

They're just so scared of Trump they'll take any alternative. Hillary is basically running her campaign on people being afraid of the other guy.

They knew this could happen all along. The FBI is conducting a criminal investigation into her actions so, if they were sincerely worried about Trump, they should have never voted for her in the first place. It's very arrogant of Hilary to be running for president when the FBI is investigating her.

What has Hilary achieved as Secretary of State? Christopher Hitchens was correct when he said that she was not qualified for Secretary of State. Here's what he had to say when Obama announced Hilary was going to be Secretary of State:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CrYBhFREtw

[downbeatplumb]

A criminally culpable Hilary Clinton would still be preferable to Trump.

[Minimalist]

Oh, please tell us what "role" that was.

To put my point bluntly we supported the Syrian rebels because we want to remove Asaad because he wants to play nice with Israel from power
even though that would be dumb idea. So get this the people over there in the middle east do not sleep well at night they don't feel protected
nor safe considering how many civilians were killed so you have people who lost family because of us and other terrorists groups. So yeah 
it would only be a matter of time before the Syrian rebels would betray us they don't trust us at all. To put it like so we have done already enough in 
the middle east we made it the hell hole it is today only to get cheap oil by putting dictators in charge. The our "special" president Bush had
to go and kill the one guy if he was still alive to this day things wouldn't have gotten as bad as they have today. I don't blame the citizens 
of the middle east for hating us at all nor i blame any country that has the us.

Here is an excellent documentary on the rise of ISIS.  It's 55 minutes and I don't recall Clinton being mentioned at all. 

http://www.pbs.org/video/2365756423/

I hope you can watch it.

[abaris]

Oh, please tell us what "role" that was.

At least indirectly. Same as in Afghanistan some 30 years ago. By removing stabilizing factors without knowing shit on what would happen afterwards. In a more direct way, there's some information that ISIL was born in a US controlled prisoner camp. In any case, born out of the idiotic mindset of people who don't know shit about the world but aim to intervene anyway. Because of personal gain, dick problems or sheer stupidity.

I'm not saying that American politicians are the most stupid on this planet. However they are the most bribed ones and they are also the ones being able to deliver large scale damage, because of the powerful resources behind their pettiness.

As for Hillary, remove her already. I'm saying that as an outsider, but polls show, she's losing out on Dump. I don't give two shits about her emails. For me it's on the Benghazi level, which already was a beacon of stupidity. But lose her. Quickly. And come up with a candidate that isn't only the lesser evil.

[Minimalist]

The State Department had precious little to do with Iraq.  That was a Pentagon/CIA shitshow.  Again, watch the documentary.