Hell and God cant Co-exist.

[robvalue]

Some of group X have quality Y =/=> All of group X have quality Y

I thought this was simple logic.

"You don't have any evidence I'm wrong, so I'm right" = argument from ignorance

I don't know how many ways this can be said.

[Catholic_Lady]

As it stands right now, everything in nature has to come from something. Things don't materialize out of absolutely nothing. To suggest that pehaps there was something supernatural at play isn't any more weird than suggesting there wasn't.  

I think either way, you're putting your faith in something.  

Whether you believe the start of the physical world was caused by a supernatural force, or whether you believe it was caused by the forces of nature, there are still unanswered questions and aspects that are beyond our comprehension.

The difference, and this is why faith only exists within theistic explanations and not secular ones, is that we can readily demonstrate that the natural world exists, and we have no suggestion that the supernatural is even something that's possible.

I was referring to the start of everything. Like, the first particle that made up the first thing, or the first force that came to exist, if you will. For how that happened, we have no explanation and no evidence. The natural world, as we know it, isn't capable of materializing things from nothing. So whichever guess you take (whether there was a supernatural force at play or whether it was just nature somehow), it's still a guess, not based on hard scientific evidence.

[Catholic_Lady]

Some of group X have quality Y =/=> All of group X have quality Y

I thought this was simple logic.

"You don't have any evidence I'm wrong, so I'm right" = argument from ignorance

I don't know how many ways this can be said.

Not sure if you're referring to me, but if so, that's not at all what I'm saying.

[robvalue]

No, I'm not referring to you

I'm just trying to encourage a little basic logic.

[Catholic_Lady]

No, I'm not referring to you

I'm just trying to encourage a little basic logic.

Haha, gotcha. 

[madog]

Bringing it back to the original post and in now way disagreeing with the position, if I believed in God, I would believe in Hell ... in fact I did believe in hell when I first stopped believing.

What I didn't believe in was heaven, now I don't believe in either.

Why did I believe in hell .... The thought with eternity with the god of the bible can only be hell .... and to be forced to share that hell with "Christians" would be the "icing on the cake" or should I say "pissing on the shit".

Dog.

[Pat Mustard]

If it exists, it can be known and therefore it can be observed and tested.

Bullshit! You intentionally exclude the evidence you don't like and justify that with your own arbitrary testing criteria.

What fucking evidence? You know as well as i fucking do that if you had any evidence you'd be waving it around in our faces and doing a retarded litlle victory dance, instead of bullshitting us with nonsnese like the "supernatural, which is outside of reality, is real but we can never detect it, so it must be god's hiding place, he's to great to be anywhere else".

[Simon Moon]

Bullshit! You intentionally exclude the evidence you don't like and justify that with your own arbitrary testing criteria.

What fucking evidence? You know as well as i fucking do that if you had any evidence you'd be waving it around in our faces and doing a retarded litlle victory dance, instead of bullshitting us with nonsnese like the "supernatural, which is outside of reality, is real but we can never detect it, so it must be god's hiding place, he's to great to be anywhere else".

Funny thing is, Chad would not accept the same sorts of nonsense he is claiming is evidence for his god, for any other supernatural claims.

Only his chosen beliefs. 

Special pleading much?

[madog]

What fucking evidence?  

Funny thing is, Chad would not accept the same sorts of nonsense he is claiming is evidence for his god, for any other supernatural claims.

Only his chosen beliefs. 

Exactly .... if the evidence was so compelling for his fairy tale it should be easy to convince other religions of his "evidence" as they already believe in fairy tales. Problem is all religions believe their "evidence" is compelling.

But when you rely on bits of text written by semi-illiterate story tellers from 2000 years ago and then consider it as "evidence",  "evidence" that  can be changed or interpreted by the religious what do we expect? 

Compelling evidence doesn't change just by the the mere fact that someone else reads it in a way to suit what they want it to mean ....

[Silver]

I always refer to the following when it comes to matters of hell and the devil.