Being a sinner just for being born

[Minimalist]

[Kitan Etos]

Sin is just earlier man's attempt and success at controlling the masses. Inform them that they will receive punishment after death, and they shall obey.

It is nothing more than an extenuation of man's ego, his need to control others and always be on top.

[Minimalist]

"Earlier?"  G-C can hardly write two sentences without spluttering on about fucking sin.  The ones who are really far gone are easy to spot!

[SteveII]

I'm not surprised at Losty's comment, but do you really think Christianity teaches that we are punished for Adam's sin? If so, you really need to learn more about what you are criticizing.

Are you serious?

Yeah, that's exactly what it teaches. Original sin.

Then you have confused two things.

Original sin is a doctrine that discusses where the sin nature comes from. Why we want to sin? Why a little child intentionally does something he knows is bad? There are many different views on what the Adam story means and what Romans 5 means. But none of those views are that we are punished for someone else's sin. We are punished for our own sin we commit (free will and all). God is not going to say on judgement day, "Adam sinned so you are going to pay for it."  As an illustration, if Christians believed the way you stated, unborn babies, infants and toddlers would go to hell if they died before even learning their first word.

[ApeNotKillApe]

I'm not surprised at Losty's comment, but do you really think Christianity teaches that we are punished for Adam's sin? If so, you really need to learn more about what you are criticizing.

Are you serious?

Yeah, that's exactly what it teaches. Original sin.

Then you have confused two things.

Original sin is a doctrine that discusses where the sin nature comes from. Why we want to sin? Why a little child intentionally does something he knows is bad? There are many different views on what the Adam story means and what Romans 5 means. But none of those views are that we are punished for someone else's sin. We are punished for our own sin we commit (free will and all). God is not going to say on judgement day, "Adam sinned so you are going to pay for it."  As an illustration, if Christians believed the way you stated, unborn babies, infants and toddlers would go to hell if they died before even learning their first word.

Exodus 20:4-5 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

[madog]

  God is not going to say on judgement day, "Adam sinned so you are going to pay for it."   

Can I quote you to God in case he forgets or changes his mind?

[ApeNotKillApe]

[SteveII]

I'm not surprised at Losty's comment, but do you really think Christianity teaches that we are punished for Adam's sin? If so, you really need to learn more about what you are criticizing.


Then you have confused two things.

Original sin is a doctrine that discusses where the sin nature comes from. Why we want to sin? Why a little child intentionally does something he knows is bad? There are many different views on what the Adam story means and what Romans 5 means. But none of those views are that we are punished for someone else's sin. We are punished for our own sin we commit (free will and all). God is not going to say on judgement day, "Adam sinned so you are going to pay for it."  As an illustration, if Christians believed the way you stated, unborn babies, infants and toddlers would go to hell if they died before even learning their first word.

Exodus 20:4-5 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

Why did you cut off the sentence? It didn't help your point? There seem to be negative consequences for idol worship that extend to subsequent generations just as there are positive generational consequences for living righteously. Not a surprise since far less sins have the same effect.

[ApeNotKillApe]

Exodus 20:4-5 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

Why did you cut off the sentence? It didn't help your point? There seem to be negative consequences for idol worship that extend to subsequent generations just as there are positive generational consequences for living righteously. Not a surprise since far less sins have the same effect.

The following verse is "And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments."

Doesn't help my point, also doesn't hinder it.

[KevinM1]