Being a sinner just for being born

[Losty]

Moonie what picture can you not get to work?

[Ignorant]

You agree, you don't agree.  Hard to keep up. It's not offensive, even if it is irritating. [1] 

What -does- add to the "fullness of what we-are"....if acting out what we are doesn't..in every case, such as merciless killing? [2]

1) =) Let me make it simple. Mercilessly killing people/things does not add to a full human life => If that is the case, then a full human life is not concurrently compatible with a life of merciless killing => If that is the case, then humanity is not fundamentally a thing that mercilessly kills.

2) The key discrepancy is your premise that asserts that "mercilessly killing" is synonymous with "acting out what we are". I do not think what-we-are and merciless-killer are synonymous. You certainly are not a merciless killer. I think many things are radically MISSING in the act of mercilessly killing people/things, and I know that because of the death and suffering caused in the victims and their communities. Though, I am starting to get the sense that your objection deals more with the concept of "humanity" than with any moral syllogism. 

Let me ask you this: do you think that you have the same humanity as I do? as Robvalue has? as mlmooney89 has?

When you read the report of the atrocity in Orlando, did you think to yourself, "Well, I guess that is just a human doing what humans do." OR did you find the murderer's actions to be a colossal human failing?

[mlmooney89]

[Losty]

[The Grand Nudger]

1) =) Let me make it simple. Mercilessly killing people/things does not add to a full human life => If that is the case, then a full human life is not concurrently compatible with a life of merciless killing => If that is the case, then humanity is not fundamentally a thing that mercilessly kills.

2) The key discrepancy is your premise that asserts that "mercilessly killing" is synonymous with "acting out what we are". I do not think what-we-are and merciless-killer are synonymous. You certainly are not a merciless killer. I think many things are radically MISSING in the act of mercilessly killing people/things, and I know that because of the death and suffering caused in the victims and their communities. Though, I am starting to get the sense that your objection deals more with the concept of "humanity" than with any moral syllogism.

So death and suffering - victims and communities, these are the metrics?  It appears that we're considering dead humans at present.....we've got more depth than that, in the killing business, I think.  Suppose the merciless slaughter of some organism x were beneficial to the community?  There's a fun example.  We have, perhaps, the opportunity to eradicate mosquitoes.  It would be a far less charged subject than the eradication of human beings, I think, lol.   

Should we?  Is it a moral good to eliminate them - as it adds to human fullness by the metrics of victims and communities, death and suffering?  

Let me ask you this: do you think that you have the same humanity as I do? as Robvalue has? as mlmooney89 has?

I think we're all variations on a theme, yes..lol.  

When you read the report of the atrocity in Orlando, did you think to yourself, "Well, I guess that is just a human doing what humans do." OR did you find the murderer's actions to be a colossal human failing?

 Both, ofc. Not big on binary thinking. Failing collossally is -also- something that we do, in addition to merciless killing, what we-are . I'm guessing that doesn't add to our fullness either...unless maybe that failure is somehow beneficial to victims and communities? Is it a moral good to fail if that failure yields communal gain?

Let's say I fail...at being a christian. If that failure benefits those around me..if it reduces death or suffering....would that be a moral good?

[Ignorant]

[The Grand Nudger]

[Ignorant]

[The Grand Nudger]

[Ignorant]