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RE: Could this explian what Dark matter and Dark energy is?
June 10, 2016 at 3:45 am
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RE: Could this explian what Dark matter and Dark energy is?
June 10, 2016 at 4:00 am
(June 10, 2016 at 3:43 am)Blueyedlion Wrote: (June 10, 2016 at 3:29 am)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: Lack of evidence. Until that bar is crossed, it's just another speculative hypothesis - at beat. AFAIK it isn't even supported mathematically. You don't know the guy's name. Because of all of that, it's indistinguishable from utter bollocks.
Why should anyone take it seriously?
For the sake of imagination?
I find that insufficient to take seriously. Entertain it on a whim, particularly after one too many Manhattans, perhaps.
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RE: Could this explian what Dark matter and Dark energy is?
June 10, 2016 at 4:05 am
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(June 10, 2016 at 4:00 am)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: (June 10, 2016 at 3:43 am)Blueyedlion Wrote: For the sake of imagination?
I find that insufficient to take seriously. Entertain it on a whim, particularly after one too many Manhattans, perhaps.
I still wouldn't be entertained by this stuff as poetry after a bottle of Whisky - wild imagination is fun and all, but with these Crackpot physics types, the complete ignorance is always coupled with such a condescending arrogance and insulting conspiracy theories, which I find off-putting. It's like a poetry book where every poem starts with "you're an asshole, go fuck yourself".
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RE: Could this explian what Dark matter and Dark energy is?
June 10, 2016 at 4:10 am
(June 10, 2016 at 4:05 am)Alex K Wrote: (June 10, 2016 at 4:00 am)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: I find that insufficient to take seriously. Entertain it on a whim, particularly after one too many Manhattans, perhaps.
I still wouldn't be entertained by this stuff as poetry after a bottle of Whisky - wild imagination is fun and all, but with these Crackpot physics types, the complete ignorance is always coupled with such a condescending arrogance and insulting conspiracy theories, which I find off-putting. It's like a poetry book where every poem starts with "you're an asshole, go fuck yourself".
You've got a point. I'm trying to be less unpleasant, which it why I didn't open with "It's bullshit".
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RE: Could this explian what Dark matter and Dark energy is?
June 10, 2016 at 4:15 am
(June 10, 2016 at 4:10 am)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: (June 10, 2016 at 4:05 am)Alex K Wrote: I still wouldn't be entertained by this stuff as poetry after a bottle of Whisky - wild imagination is fun and all, but with these Crackpot physics types, the complete ignorance is always coupled with such a condescending arrogance and insulting conspiracy theories, which I find off-putting. It's like a poetry book where every poem starts with "you're an asshole, go fuck yourself".
You've got a point. I'm trying to be less unpleasant, which it why I didn't open with "It's bullshit". 
You're such a softie!
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RE: Could this explian what Dark matter and Dark energy is?
June 10, 2016 at 4:21 am
Don't tell anyone.
Wait, is this thing on?
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RE: Could this explian what Dark matter and Dark energy is?
June 10, 2016 at 5:13 am
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RE: Could this explian what Dark matter and Dark energy is?
June 10, 2016 at 5:52 am
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Blueyedlion,
Irrespective of what this person says (who seems to have a bit too much of a poetic bent for their own good), Neutrinos are only interacting so little with ordinary matter because the forces they are subject to are mediated by the W and Z bosons, and because those W and Z bosons are so heavy, the interaction is super short-ranged, thus making their collisions with atoms rare. Nothing about this is particularly mysterious, and no, they don't inhabit a different universe. I'll happily elaborate on this if you are actually interested in the science.
By the way, this isn't so true any more for very high energy neutrinos - people thinking about building Muon colliders have to worry about the health effects of the high energy neutrino radiation emanating from decaying muons - high energy neutrinos can be a very real, and very ordinary, radiation hazard which has nothing otherworldly to it.
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RE: Could this explian what Dark matter and Dark energy is?
June 10, 2016 at 7:36 am
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(June 10, 2016 at 5:52 am)Alex K Wrote: Blueyedlion,
Irrespective of what this person says (who seems to have a bit too much of a poetic bent for their own good), Neutrinos are only interacting so little with ordinary matter because the forces they are subject to are mediated by the W and Z bosons, and because those W and Z bosons are so heavy, the interaction is super short-ranged, thus making their collisions with atoms rare. Nothing about this is particularly mysterious, and no, they don't inhabit a different universe. I'll happily elaborate on this if you are actually interested in the science.
By the way, this isn't so true any more for very high energy neutrinos - people thinking about building Muon colliders have to worry about the health effects of the high energy neutrino radiation emanating from decaying muons - high energy neutrinos can be a very real, and very ordinary, radiation hazard which has nothing otherworldly to it.
You can always trust an atheist to turn the spice of life into sand
So when a scientist who is actually doing the experiments, talks about it, and with passion because obviously he's passionate about it. You're just going to dismiss it because it doesn't correspond to your knowledge -
the knowledge you gained by reading what he's working on....
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RE: Could this explian what Dark matter and Dark energy is?
June 10, 2016 at 8:02 am
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(June 10, 2016 at 7:36 am)Blueyedlion Wrote: (June 10, 2016 at 5:52 am)Alex K Wrote: Blueyedlion,
Irrespective of what this person says (who seems to have a bit too much of a poetic bent for their own good), Neutrinos are only interacting so little with ordinary matter because the forces they are subject to are mediated by the W and Z bosons, and because those W and Z bosons are so heavy, the interaction is super short-ranged, thus making their collisions with atoms rare. Nothing about this is particularly mysterious, and no, they don't inhabit a different universe. I'll happily elaborate on this if you are actually interested in the science.
By the way, this isn't so true any more for very high energy neutrinos - people thinking about building Muon colliders have to worry about the health effects of the high energy neutrino radiation emanating from decaying muons - high energy neutrinos can be a very real, and very ordinary, radiation hazard which has nothing otherworldly to it.
You can always trust an atheist to turn the spice of life into sand 
So when a scientist who is actually doing the experiments, talks about it, and with passion because obviously he's passionate about it. You're just going to dismiss it because it doesn't correspond to your knowledge -
the knowledge you gained by reading what he's working on....
I'm not dismissing the guy's passion, I'm dismissing your superficial and biased interpretation of what he is saying. Let me ask you a different question - why did you bring this up in the first place, what did you want to show us?
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