UK to leave EU

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UK to leave the EU. WTF!
When is this happening.

Hard to tell really, when we trigger Article 50 it'll be two years or less from that date. EU officials want us out as soon as possible and Brexiters want out as soon as possible.

[Edwardo Piet]

Not surprised the EU want us out after we displayed how unreliable we are by fucking ourselves.

[Aoi Magi]

Well, if Scotland breaks free and sticks with EU, then there really is no going back, but till then I am keeping hope. And I do hope, for all our sake, that the optimism of bella, napo, maddog isn't baseless and that UK actually manages to pull through after this, else I dare not think about the after effects.

[Edwardo Piet]

If the NHS stays I think I'm okay. I can't afford to pay for healthcare.

[LastPoet]

I'm sorry but it wasn't... his argument has been trivialised to being about vaping when that was just an example. I think he makes a good point about the EU not being bound by the ECHR. Not a good enough point to make me change my position but enough to be worth thinking about and something to hope to change if we get the EU back.

Thanks ... yes and I could agree with staying in the EU if they finally, after 42 years accede to the ECHR an actual requirement of any Nation joining the EU.

It is obscene that the EU dictate that to join their club you must first be a member of the Council of Europe and to be a member of the Council of Europe you must ratify the ECHR ..... When the EU refuse to accede ....

The actually reality of the above is an EU Directive can be made that breaches the ECHR and the EU members must comply, yet their membership of the EU doesn't release them from their ECHR obligations .... They are then liable to EU sanctions or ECHR sanctions, depending if they do or do not comply with an EU directive that breaches the ECHR ...

Just actually think about that ....

Dude, dude! The UK, by having birthrights in royalty violates article 1: All humans are born equal. You could have stood there. Why you rant on vaping is beyond me and notjing more deserving of a few laughs.

[madog]

Dude, dude! The UK, by having birthrights in royalty violates article 1: All humans are born equal. 

My European Convention for the Protection of Human Rights must be out of date 

ARTICLE 1
Obligation to respect Human Rights
The High Contracting Parties shall secure to everyone within their
jurisdiction the rights and freedoms defined in Section I of this
Convention.

[abaris]

Well, if Scotland breaks free and sticks with EU, then there really is no going back, but till then I am keeping hope. And I do hope, for all our sake, that the optimism of bella, napo, maddog isn't baseless and that UK actually manages to pull through after this, else I dare not think about the after effects.

There's a difference between pulling through and the dawn of a golden age. Of course the UK will pull through in some way, whatever that means for the individual citizens. In the news today, even the brexit politicians want to negotiate with the EU for some kind of associated deal. Yeah, but here's the thing. This deal, even if they manage an association in the way Switzerland, Norway or Iceland have, the UK hasn't got voice anymore. No vote, no veto, no influence on any of the decisions. The UK's voice has been pretty loud, and sadly heared by the EU brass, far too often when they made their decision to hand out yet another special deal to take home. These times are definetely over.

[Aoi Magi]

Well, if Scotland breaks free and sticks with EU, then there really is no going back, but till then I am keeping hope. And I do hope, for all our sake, that the optimism of bella, napo, maddog isn't baseless and that UK actually manages to pull through after this, else I dare not think about the after effects.

There's a difference between pulling through and the dawn of a golden age. Of course the UK will pull through in some way, whatever that means for the individual citizens. In the news today, even the brexit politicians want to negotiate with the EU for some kind of associated deal. Yeah, but here's the thing. This deal, even if they manage an association in the way Switzerland, Norway or Iceland have, the UK hasn't got voice anymore. No vote, no veto, no influence on any of the decisions. The UK's voice has been pretty loud, and sadly heared by the EU brass, far too often when they made their decision to hand out yet another special deal to take home. These times are definetely over.

My fear is that if Scotland breaks free, EU might seek to make an example out of UK so as to prevent the other members from quitting, and that translates to very very bad dealings for UK, especially since without the scotts, the UK will take a major blow to it's trading capabilities...

[abaris]

My fear is that if Scotland breaks free, EU might seek to make an example out of UK so as to prevent the other members from quitting, and that translates to very very bad  dealings for UK, especially since without the scotts, the UK will take a major blow to it's trading capabilities...

Seeing as there are many strong nationalist parties in Europe, they have to turn this into an example in any case to preserve the EU. Otherwise the likes of Le Pen, Wilders, Strache, the AFD in Germany, only to name a few of them, would be encouraged further and get further leverage.

So, there's no real choice there, from a purely political perspective. That's also the reason why many influencal EU politician push for speeding up the process. The longer the insecurity lasts, the bigger the possible fallout.

If they act logically, is written on a different page. But if they don't, others are likely to follow. I'm not talking about those countries already ruled by nationalists, such as Poland or Hungary, since they get too much out of the EU coffers, but France could be a very real possibility, if Le Pen manages to get elected next year. There is already kind of a nationalist internationale, ironically with the only outspoken goal of destroying the idea of a united Europe.

[Alex K]

UK to leave the EU. WTF!
When is this happening.

Did you just come back from the Moon or something?