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UK to leave EU
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That's hot.

Tongue
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(June 26, 2016 at 2:57 pm)Tiberius Wrote: This Guardian commenter's theory about why Boris Johnson doesn't look particularly happy or as encouraged as he was before the vote is interesting:




Thoughts?

They'll find someone who is prepared to do it, and damn the consequences. Someone so devoid of compassion that they'll deliberately act against the best interests of their electorate, even when handed the opportunity to save them from themselves. Someone so self-interested that they'll take short-term notoriety over long-term character suicide. Someone with such a superiority complex that they'll truly believe they've been picked to deliver success rather than realise they've been manipulated in to an untenable position for nefarious reasons. Someone who'll give them a job in the foreign office, maybe even a leading role.

BEHOLD!

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(June 29, 2016 at 2:45 pm)Excited Penguin Wrote: Now let's break down the word Islamophobia. It means irrational fear of Islam.

In fact, the word is used most commonly, colloquially to mean 'bigotry towards muslims'. Yes, it has a root definition as you've described but you can't ignore common usage simply to fit your belief that the term is bullshit.
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(August 8, 2016 at 9:16 am)Ben Davis Wrote:
(June 29, 2016 at 2:45 pm)Excited Penguin Wrote: Now let's break down the word Islamophobia. It means irrational fear of Islam.

In fact, the word is used most commonly, colloquially to mean 'bigotry towards muslims'. Yes, it has a root definition as you've described but you can't ignore common usage simply to fit your belief that the term is bullshit.

Sure, the term has been successfully claimed by the regressive (authoritarian) left but that does not mean it can't be reclaimed. 

 Failing that, there needs to be a counter-meme that establishes a new term that means "rational fear of a Caliphate" or some such (although, thinking about it, can one have a rational fear? ... It would be like having a rational passion or a rational love  Dodgy  ).

Try it.

If anyone accuses you of being Islamophobic say "No!  I'm Caliphophobic.

Spread the meme... GO!

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What about theismophobic? It's like Islamophobic but concerns theism in general, including all Abrahamic faiths. Although I suppose that could also be taken as anti-semitic.
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Good point. And I note your implication. The 3 Abrahamic faiths are all ultimately based on Judaism. Therefore. Smile
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(August 8, 2016 at 10:59 am)DLJ Wrote: "rational fear of a Caliphate" or some such (although, thinking about it, can one have a rational fear? ... It would be like having a rational passion or a rational love  Dodgy  ).

One can have rational fears. Although someone claiming "rational fear of Caliphate" certainly has a lot of explaining to do. Such as how 2 to 4 percent of any given population would go about installing a Caliphate. And that's even assuming 100 percent of these 2 to 4 percent even want it.

That's also why the regressive (authoritarian) left finds it so ridiculous and fundamentally stupid, and perfectly in line with the fear of the jewish takeover in the first half of the last century.
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(August 8, 2016 at 11:32 am)abaris Wrote:
(August 8, 2016 at 10:59 am)DLJ Wrote: "rational fear of a Caliphate" or some such (although, thinking about it, can one have a rational fear? ... It would be like having a rational passion or a rational love  Dodgy  ).

One can have rational fears. Although someone claiming "rational fear of Caliphate" certainly has a lot of explaining to do. Such as how 2 to 4 percent of any given population would go about installing a Caliphate. And that's even assuming 100 percent of these 2 to 4 percent even want it.

That's also why the regressive (authoritarian) left finds it so ridiculous and fundamentally stupid, and perfectly in line with the fear of the jewish takeover in the first half of the last century.

Can you give me an example of a rational fear?  I was considering poisonous snakes or spiders but I'd put those in the category of 'sensible' rather than 'rational' i.e. sensory input triggering a fight, flight or freeze reaction as opposed to rationality, which requires thought (and of course, time).

But concern regarding a politicised ideology e.g. Stalin-style Communism or a theocracy (e.g. a Caliphate) might be a contender for a 'rational fear'; it would be certainly qualify as rational in that it would require some rational thinking but would it be a fear (in the instinctive sense)?

From your comment about 2-4%, I think you are making a point about risk (specifically 'likelihood' or 'vulnerability').  I'm not sure where your numbers come from but yes, the proximity to an existing Islamic State would be a factor... Singapore being an example of higher vulnerability hence the TPP etc.

I can't agree with your last point.  Surely it would be the non-authoritarian progressive left who would be highlighting the ridiculousnessosity of the threat.  The authoritarian regressive left would be the ones declaring any dissent as hate-speech and of course the authoritarian right using the fear, no, creating the fear to impose tighter security measures e.g. Poland, Trump and some of the Brexiteers, etc.
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(August 8, 2016 at 1:42 pm)DLJ Wrote: Can you give me an example of a rational fear?  I was considering poisonous snakes or spiders but I'd put those in the category of 'sensible' rather than 'rational' i.e. sensory input triggering a fight, flight or freeze reaction as opposed to rationality, which requires thought (and of course, time).

A rational fear is something based on facts. So, without going into details, I fear going bankrupt. That's based on facts and hard evidence. And yet it's a fear.

Fear of a Caliphate is not a rational fear in the West.

My numbers come from hard evidence, as in muslim population in any given western countries.
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