Muslim Imam calls for Homosexual death 3 weeks before pulse nigh club shooting

[Drich]

https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages...ality.aspx
Muslims and the koran seem to disagree.. plus you also have the Imam in the OP on video calling for the deaths of homosexuals as it is their only chance at redemption.

Christianity is a religion of peace too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xF8uN9En2dQ&app=desktop

again moron, christianity is splintered which means the followers of this pastor are limited.

Islam is not.. The man who called for the murder of gays in this area speaks for billions, as 90% of that religion are united under him and men like him all over the world!!! His interpretations are LAW for Billions of muslims as Islam is not splintered as Christianity is splintered!

That pastor may be speaking to a couple of hundred people world wide verse this Imam who has the ear of billions...
how many more times do I need to say this before you guys incorporate this into your thinking? With this video you are comparing the fringes of Christianity to MAINSTREAM ISLAM!!!

Let me put it another way:

Now what is more likly to happen? the man speaking to billions reaching just the right person in just the right place to carry out a successful terror attack? or the guy speaking to 30 people most of whom are related in someway (like the west borough baptists? who has more power? what group present the greatest danger, simply by sheer numbers of potential possibilities?

[The Grand Nudger]

-as if bishops and popes had never called for the death of this or that....and as though it would be difficult to find criticism of that...here on atheist forums.

Get ahold of yourself.

Now, for the rest of us, with love in our hearts, shall we join hands and sing the chorus of "Fuck The Motherfucking Pope", by brother Minchin?

(feel better now Drich?)

[Athene]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vev-OzHQy94

My question... Why Is this not been on the evening news? Why is no one discussing the Muslim "answer to the homosexual problem?"

What...are you crazy? How is this video even relevant? 
The Orlando attack had NOTHING to do with homosexuality...so sayeth you. 

Why are baptist ministers and fringe christians being quoted for commending this act when the shooter's own religious belief system supports what he did, and is being literally called to be done by one of his religious leaders just 3 weeks before this happened?

Well, everyone knows radical Islamic fundamentalists be trippin', Drich...the shit's not even news, really. Why not view this admonishment of Christians as a positive in regards to this matter? Perhaps it's just a subconscious acknowledgement that Biblical Christianity is just betterer and truerer...and thusly, it's leaders should be held to a higher standard. 
Sounds good, yes? 

You're welcome.

If you don't want or can't answer those questions... Answer this.. How does this video make you feel?

Like that dude is nuts. Or perhaps high.
Probably nuts, though...Maybe both?

Do you think the government or media is withholding this story to shape how the public views Islam.. Why?

Yes, I believe news outlets can and do spin stories on occasion, with the goal of shaping/influencing public sentiment on particular matters; though I'm not sure I'd believe that to be the case in this instance. If it were, I think the goal or reason would be a bit more complex than simply changing how the public views Islam, as a exercise in liberal douchery. 

Public safety actually comes to mind.

[Angrboda]

You actually think that people should be lashed for having sex Mystic?  Why not everywhere?  Why shouldn't others do the same, elsewhere?

I don't think such laws should exist without the admonishment from God and his words being made most high in society. That is, without that foundation,  it cannot be forced to a society and it will backfire. With the foundation there, it should exist.

I also think perhaps (not sure about this), laws like this should only be implemented under the rule of an infallible guide by God who is sinless or else, it will seem corrupt if you have people who are not sinless on top of society.

There is division on that, and I'm not sure, I haven't reflected and reasoned between both sides of the issue on it.  But no I don't think non-Muslims should implement this law anymore then banning alcohol. It will backfire, without, the word of God being made most high.

The fact that such laws are beneficial for society but in dire need of words from God (and even can be argued an infallible ruler and guide from God) point to the need of revelation for society from God.

There are some rules that no matter what secular punishment you put, are not going to be followed, without a foundation of society being rooted on revelation from God and leaders he appoints.

Would it be fair to say that you are in favor of Sharia for all countries?

[WinterHold]

No. Killing homosexuals is a Christian & a Jewish sentence.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_an...stoning.29

• Intercourse between two men.
  

In the Christian bible though; here's the verse:

http://biblehub.com/leviticus/20-13.htm

Parallel Verses

New International Version
"'If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

New Living Translation
"If a man practices homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman, both men have committed a detestable act. They must both be put to death, for they are guilty of a capital offense.

Christianity does call for the murder of gays; we do not need a pastor to tell us; it is right there in the bible.

Now; proving that the Quran -which is the Muslim holy book- calls for the murder of homosexuals. Actually, there are no verses which say so, be my guest and search the book from page 1 to page 604.

If you didn't find any verse that supports your claims,please cut the propaganda.
From the Quran. The official source of revelation, not the Hadith.
Killing homosexuals exists only in the Hadith.
 -and please; don't play gymnastics around words-, please, admit that these Muslim scholars who called for the murder of homosexuals, counted only -and only on- their hunch, imagination, guessing and ancient tales which Prophet Mohammed himself was reported to forbid its writing.

Those scholars whom you quoted -Dirch-; didn't tell you that their Hadith books contain this exact piece of literature:

Ibn Saeed Al-Khudry reported that the messenger of God had said,
(A) “Do not write anything from me EXCEPT QURAN. Anyone who wrote anything other than the Quran shall erase it.”
(B) Again, in the book “Taq-yeed Al-Ilm”, Abu Saeed Al-Khudry said, ” I asked the Messenger of God a permission to write his hadiths, but he refused to give me a permission.”

And another fishy tale, that Muslims don't like to admit:

From Ibn Hanbal: Zayd Ibn Thabit (The Prophet’s closest revelation writer) visited the Khalifa Mu’aawiyah (more than 30 years after the Prophet’s death), and told him a story about the Prophet. Mu’aawiyah liked the story and ordered someone to write it down. But Zayd said. ” the messenger of God ordered us never to write anything of his hadith”.

Now, a little bit of disturbing tale:

The farewell Pilgrimage of the Prophet Muhammad is a cornerstone in the Muslim history. The Final Sermon given by the Prophet during this pilgrimage was witnessed by thousands of Muslims. There are however, THREE versions of this sermon in the Hadith books.
[A] 1- First version, ” I left for you what if you hold up to, you will never be misguided, the book of God and my Family.
[b] 2-Second version, “I left for you what if you hold up to, you will never be misguided, the book of God and my Sunnah” .[/b]
[b][C] 3- Third version, “I left for you what if you hold up to, you will never be misguided, the BOOK OF GOD.”[/b]

Did the Muslim scholars you used to quote, tell you anything about the interesting case that many before me just made?
Here; take a look, the case is long, I just quoted the tip of the iceberg:

https://discover-the-truth.com/2013/05/2...hs-part-1/

Let's not drift away from the main concept. Your scholars of choice don't represent Islam, because they simply don't use Islam's main book to rule; yet use other books -which are called the Hadith-, and which are proved to contain contradiction by the admission of these scholars themselves !

I just proved the contradiction there above, didn't I? 
When it comes to the Quran, we have no case of contradiction. I spent 3 years here, testing the book against hordes of Christians and atheists without luck in finding a single contradiction like the one above; 600 pages of consistincy -that don't involve the killing of homosexuals or the stoning of women who have sex-.

Did your scholars tell you that, or did they quote "Mu’aawiyah", the racist who invaded Spain and enslaved the native Goths, and started one of the biggest cracks between Muslim asians and Europeans (one that is still burning until today; one that triggered the Crusades and massive massacres).

He also proved his pure hatred to the prophet Mohammed and his family, when he butchered his family members and literally prosecuted them and their followers, until the Shiite faith came to life; notice that he supported his racist campaign with the same weapon he taught his children to use: THE HADITH.

The same weapon his kingdom used against the Spanish, the French -in the moore invasions of Europe-, and until today, we are bleeding because of the books he issued and ordered to be written. 

The evidence is up there.

So he did kill other believers in the name of his racist kingdom, in a direct rejection to the obvious verses in the Quran that forbid Muslims to attack for conquest:

( Sura 2 verse 190 )   Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. Allah does not like transgressors.

(Sura 5 Verse 2 )   O you who have believed, do not violate the rites of Allah or [the sanctity of] the sacred month or [neglect the marking of] the sacrificial animals and garlanding [them] or [violate the safety of] those coming to the Sacred House seeking bounty from their Lord and [His] approval. But when you come out of ihram, then [you may] hunt. And do not let the hatred of a people for having obstructed you from al-Masjid al-Haram lead you to transgress. And cooperate in righteousness and piety, but do not cooperate in sin and aggression. And fear Allah; indeed, Allah is severe in penalty.

No, Dirch. There are other sects. There are Muslims who believe in what the lord said. Muslims that don't want gays dead, or atheists killed, or Christians killed, or Jews dead.

There are Muslims who fear the heavy day, Muslims who fear God, they don't want to transgress, they want to obey what their lord said :

( Sura 17 Verse 33 )   And do not kill the soul which Allah has forbidden, except by right. And whoever is killed unjustly - We have given his heir authority, but let him not exceed limits in [the matter of] taking life. Indeed, he has been supported [by the law].
 
I'll be honest. I'm bisexual. I like feminine men; what you people call "transexuals". I have feelings for them, I admit it. But my religion never said that they should be killed. Again, go search the Quran and tell me where the verse is.

The only thing you'll find, is the story of Lot. and that story prohibits Muslims from practicing homosexuality, but killing homosexuals is -just like killing humans- is a job of God, only him, and after him the law enforcement that fights criminals and repay "murder" with "murder" (an example is stopping terrorists at gay bars by force). And if you believe, God gave them that permission, and only he takes the life eventually; so in terms of logic; he takes our lives either ways.

God takes our souls, it happens daily, that's why you have so many atheists who reject him, and that's why we need to tell them why they shouldn't. Never hiding why we believe and what Allah -God; not the son or the holy spirit; but God-.

Did you take the time, to research Islam before you state what you said?
Those scholars didn't provide the full image of the moon. To see the proof of that; read my post.

[Angrboda]

This is disingenuous even by your standards, Atlas.

[ReptilianPeon]

Your scholars of choice don't represent Islam

But, realistically, who does? There are so many different types believer, so many different groups and sects. I don't anybody can claim to represent the majority. No one group has the majority. Just because >51% of people are "Sunni" doesn't mean that they all agree on everything.

This is why you have the different Fiqh. And within each Fiqh you have more disagreements. Allah needs to release a book on Sharia because so many lives will be saved from needless killing.

[Brian37]

This is disingenuous even by your standards, Atlas.

There simply is no polite way to put it about any of those three religions of Abraham.

Yes you have liberals in all three that don't want to harm others, of any label, for any reason, but that is not the point of why atheists criticize all of them. For all the empathy our liberal theist friends may have, they don't want to face that those same books DO contain violent depictions and justifications for harm of others that the right does use. 

But this goes with any religion worldwide too. In all of antiquity no religion had any modern understanding of nature or evolution, and back then, even unfortunately today, humans protect their  social norms and protect what is local and mostly what they got sold by their parents.

Drich and Atlas are wrong about the need to cling to those old books. Neither of them promote any evolutionary understanding that we are in reality the same species. 

But when you compare Drich's location in the world and that of Atlas, between the two Atlas has far more to fear for daring to be open. Drich by comparison is a fucking crybaby.

There certainly are Christians who are victims in the world. There certainly are Muslims who are victims in the world. But so are Jews and atheists and gays and Buddhists and Hindus, all depending on time and geography.

The unfortunate part that causes all that is for the reasons I stated, it isn't that you can force any religion out of existence. But there needs to be more humans worldwide that have a more global perspective rather than selfish local tribalism.

[Mister Agenda]

This is the symptom of the 'regressive liberal' concept of Islamophobia - the ingenious conflation of Racism and Religious Criticism. If anyone tries to criticize Islam they are automatically branded a racist xenophobic bigot, and shouted down without anyone having to actually confront their legitimate critique of this overtly homophobic religion. Islamophobia is a racist term! It affirms the notion that Islam is basically about Arabian and Pakistani people - they make it about race. Islam is NOT a race, it's a religion followed by people of all 'racial' types.

Donald Trump is winning because of this - the "You're just a racist!" Islamophobia knee-jerk reaction to any criticism of Islam means that anyone who is genuinely concerned about it feels like nobody cares, and like they are being condescended to, and the only people who talk about their concerns and take them seriously are far-right extremists and genuine bigots like Donald Trump.

Yet Donald Trump is not actually winning.

For a more balanced analysis of Islamophobia (hint, if you're concerned that one percent of our population is going to impose Sharia law in the USA any year now, you're an Islamophobe):

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Islamophobi...lamophobia

[Mister Agenda]

This is the symptom of the 'regressive liberal' concept of Islamophobia - the ingenious conflation of Racism and Religious Criticism. If anyone tries to criticize Islam they are automatically branded a racist xenophobic bigot, and shouted down without anyone having to actually confront their legitimate critique of this overtly homophobic religion. Islamophobia is a racist term! It affirms the notion that Islam is basically about Arabian and Pakistani people - they make it about race. Islam is NOT a race, it's a religion followed by people of all 'racial' types.

Donald Trump is winning because of this - the "You're just a racist!" Islamophobia knee-jerk reaction to any criticism of Islam means that anyone who is genuinely concerned about it feels like nobody cares, and like they are being condescended to, and the only people who talk about their concerns and take them seriously are far-right extremists and genuine bigots like Donald Trump.

Islam is not a race, but that doesn't mean some people don't hate Muslims out of racism.

Right, Islamophobia is not inherently racist, but it's often driven by racism. There's a lot of overlap between racists and Islamophobes, and it's not a coincidence. And I'm not sure how profound the difference between 'racist' and 'religious bigot' is supposed to be.