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RE: The real religion?
August 18, 2016 at 10:40 pm
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(August 18, 2016 at 10:38 pm)Jesster Wrote: (August 18, 2016 at 10:35 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: ***triple face palm***
It's starting ALL. OVER. AGAIN!
At some point we may have to write him off as doing that intentionally simply to cause irritation. People can be dense, but there is a limit. You waste you time here and put me on ignore me after a few hours? I guess you like it easy! 
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RE: The real religion?
August 18, 2016 at 10:43 pm
(August 18, 2016 at 10:20 pm)Faith No More Wrote: (August 18, 2016 at 10:13 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: I am told that is not sufficient.
What? Told by whom?
(August 18, 2016 at 10:13 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: And I don't have a fear of evolution. I use to be an evolutionist and then I started researching the issue.
I don't see how you could have properly researched the issue when you've thoroughly demonstrated in this thread that you don't understand the basic fundamentals of the scientific method.
What you most likely did is read a bunch of biased, unscientific junk written by liars that can't even name the six basic steps of the scientific method.
Also, given what I know, this is a pretty extraordinary claim. In case you haven't heard, testimony and memory are unreliable, so I'm going to have to ask for the strictest scientific evidence here.
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RE: The real religion?
August 18, 2016 at 10:44 pm
(August 18, 2016 at 10:39 pm)Arkilogue Wrote: (August 18, 2016 at 10:35 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: ***triple face palm***
It's starting ALL. OVER. AGAIN! It's like the god-forsaken Dark Tower....
Dark Tower reference?! You are a man/woman after my own heart!!! ?
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RE: The real religion?
August 18, 2016 at 10:47 pm
(August 18, 2016 at 10:44 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: (August 18, 2016 at 10:39 pm)Arkilogue Wrote: It's like the god-forsaken Dark Tower....
Dark Tower reference?! You are a man/woman after my own heart!!! ? *hugs*
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The real religion?
August 18, 2016 at 10:48 pm
(August 18, 2016 at 10:47 pm)Arkilogue Wrote: (August 18, 2016 at 10:44 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: Dark Tower reference?! You are a man/woman after my own heart!!! [emoji7] *hugs*
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Ka is like a wheel...and so is this FUCKING thread! [emoji38]
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RE: The real religion?
August 18, 2016 at 10:48 pm
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(August 18, 2016 at 7:49 pm)bennyboy Wrote: (August 18, 2016 at 3:03 pm)SteveII Wrote: You seem to think that we are asking the disciples if they remember the color of Jesus' sweatshirt two weeks ago Friday. We are talking about seeing a man you had been with for several years die a horrible death and then appear to them 3 days later and then stick around for 40 more days. Do you think it remotely possible that hundreds of people were mistaken about such a thing?
I think it's possible that if the whole story is even about a real person, there was a lot of dupery going on. Why is it that Jesus wasn't recognized after his resurrection? Had he changed his hair style? Bought a new toga? Gone in for bitchin' new tattoos? How about this: because Jesus was killed, and some dude punched holes in his hand to pretend he was Jesus? That would readily explain why he wasn't easily recognized by these people who spent "years with him."
And that's assuming the whole story isn't just made up by a group of spiritualists who created an archetypal leader from myths well-established in other religious traditions of the day. Show me these hundreds of witnesses, and more importantly their written accounts. Show me, in particular, someone who would be antithetical to Jesus, like maybe a Roman magistrate, who even demonstrates a vague knowledge of his existence. Show me the written records of Pontius Pilate, for example.
Your reply about Jesus not being recognized seems to stem from a misunderstanding of the story. Click here for the reference (it's not that long). Especially note verse 16 and then the point of the story in verse 31-32. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se...2024:13-35
Regarding the list of what you want to see, you are just repeating an old tired objection that in reality had we had those things, they would be challenged under the standard fair atheist arguments like "hearsay, eyewitnesses are not reliable, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence". The real problem is the atheist presupposition that God does not exist and miracles do not happen and therefore the content of the NT can never be true no matter what piece of "evidence" turns up.
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RE: The real religion?
August 18, 2016 at 10:50 pm
And I was just about to give Arki a chance to get off my ignore list too. That's the first post of his that I've bothered reading in a while. Nothing has changed.
I don't believe you. Get over it.
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RE: The real religion?
August 18, 2016 at 10:54 pm
(August 18, 2016 at 10:50 pm)Jesster Wrote: And I was just about to give Arki a chance to get off my ignore list too. That's the first post of his that I've bothered reading in a while. Nothing has changed.
Back to your safe space? A pity...
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RE: The real religion?
August 18, 2016 at 10:55 pm
(August 18, 2016 at 10:26 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: LFC said it's not sufficient, and others have said it is not evidence at all....
Oh, I get it now. You can't tell the difference between a science book with data and theories and the bible. You're trying to equate the two in order put the claims of each on equal footing.
(August 18, 2016 at 10:26 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: Why do you think I don't understand the scientific method?
Well, for starters, see above.
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RE: The real religion?
August 18, 2016 at 10:55 pm
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(August 18, 2016 at 10:48 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: (August 18, 2016 at 10:47 pm)Arkilogue Wrote: *hugs*
I shoot with my mind.
Ka is like a wheel...and so is this FUCKING thread! [emoji38]
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