Evolutionary Tree

[Esquilax]

Looks like this thread managed to answer the age old question "why die for a lie?".
-they didn't know any better.

The answer to that question I've never heard given, which I think is pretty good, is "sometimes, they don't exactly have a choice."

That's the thing, particularly about dissidents from orthodoxy during this time period, is that dealing with them by violence was a perfectly valid option, and it doesn't necessarily have to matter to the ones doing the executing whether the victims truly believed or were willing to recant or not. You're killing them because they're troublemakers, you have no need to be forgiving, and no assurance that they'll stop for good if you release them.

And if you're a proponent of the cause for which those people died, what story are you going to tell afterward? "They died begging and pleading, throwing away everything they believed in at the point of a sword," or "they died with their heads held high and their convictions intact"? If you're a true believer, you weren't in their head at the time they died, you have no way of knowing that they weren't simply in sinful, mortal fear and not scrabbling away from the lie about to cost them their lives. Why would you ever assume the latter going forward if you yourself don't think it's a lie, and you're responsible for stewarding the narrative to future generations?

[Cyberman]

I mean, my girlfriends nephew converted to Islam, and he sent me a clip of Dr Zakir Naik.

Naik? Seriously? Fuck me, how desperate.

[RobertE]

I mean, my girlfriends nephew converted to Islam, and he sent me a clip of Dr Zakir Naik.

Naik? Seriously? Fuck me, how desperate.

Well, I didn't know who he was until her nephew sent it to me. All that I know is that he is a wahabist/salafist and he can be extreme at times. This is why I posted a video of Naik yesterday, to get some feedback to what I should listen out for as far as debating is concerned. I can argue with the best of them, but ad hominems, strawmen, tu quoi que, no true scotsman plus many more can be difficult to listen out for whilst trying to get the gist of what someone is trying to say at the same time. I have read Robs site, but they are examples of fallacies, but to me, they might as well be in Chinese, nothing personal against Rob by the way. 

One of his vdeos speaks about Judaism, Christianism, Hinduism, Jainism etc, and he said that Islam is the final word of God, which is strange since the Sunnites and Shiites don't agree on everything in the Koran i.e. their dietary differences for one. Secondly, he deals with semantics, in that the name "Allah", cannot be added to or changed to make another word. However, he said that the word "God", can be added to i.e. Godmother/godfather, Dieu/Deesse etc. He sounds as bad as Trump and probably as dangerous as Ken Ham.

[chimp3]

Allah : Challah , Gallahad , Inshallah, Tallahassee!

[Cyberman]

Allah kazam! Hey presto, hey Zeus, Jesus...

[RobertE]

I have to add this link. Whether it is true or not, I don't know, but here it is anyway.