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RE: Solving the Ignosticism (is meant for ignostics)
August 21, 2016 at 1:42 pm
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There's a much easier way to "solve the ignosticism". It;s to remind people that god means whatever the individual proponent of the argument says it means. That we find their description absurd, implausible, or impossible, does not mean that their description does not exist. That the term doesn't have a meaning. It just has alot of different meanings to different people.
To make it more amusing, it would be like saying that the term car has no meaning (and the truth of propositions regarding them can therefore not be known) because you can't get people to agree on whether a mustang or a caravan is a real car™.
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RE: Solving the Ignosticism (is meant for ignostics)
August 21, 2016 at 3:16 pm
(August 21, 2016 at 1:42 pm)Rhythm Wrote: There's a much easier way to "solve the ignosticism". It;s to remind people that god means whatever the individual proponent of the argument says it means. That we find their description absurd, implausible, or impossible, does not mean that their description does not exist. That the term doesn't have a meaning. It just has alot of different meanings to different people.
To make it more amusing, it would be like saying that the term car has no meaning (and the truth of propositions regarding them can therefore not be known) because you can't get people to agree on whether a mustang or a caravan is a real car™. Then I would say focus on form and function rather than label. What does a "God" need to be able to do/be to be considered a God?
Atheists are found of saying "If it demands worship, it's not a divine being" as a disqualifier, yes?. What are qualifiers if any?
All my encounters with God have been relatively benign, so the whole asshole in the sky demanding worship thing I'm going to have to take as hearsay and or libel.
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RE: Solving the Ignosticism (is meant for ignostics)
August 21, 2016 at 3:25 pm
(August 21, 2016 at 3:16 pm)Arkilogue Wrote: Then I would say focus on form and function rather than label. What does a "God" need to be able to do/be to be considered a God? Up to the individual believer.
Quote:Atheists are found of saying "If it demands worship, it's not a divine being" as a disqualifier, yes?. What are qualifiers if any?
How would I know, I don't believe in or propose any gods.
Quote:All my encounters with God have been relatively benign, so the whole asshole in the sky demanding worship thing I'm going to have to take as hearsay and or libel.
You have tea on sunday, hit the links? Maybe you go out on gods boat and catch a tarpon or something?
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RE: Solving the Ignosticism (is meant for ignostics)
August 21, 2016 at 7:48 pm
(August 21, 2016 at 9:22 am)theBorg Wrote: (August 21, 2016 at 8:01 am)robvalue Wrote: It may not even be a meaningful definition, because it assumes there actually was a first life form. This assumes either a finite past
Quote: "for a physicist infinity is monstrosity! In real world, there is no such thing as infinity." (the famous Dr. Michio Kaku, the Japanese American theoretical physicist, futurist, and popularizer of science. Kaku is a professor of theoretical physics at the City College...). Shall I give you my short (unpublished in the PRE) disproof of the infinite past?
I'm not aware that this quote has been demonstrated to be factually accurate. If it has, I'd be interested to know.
If your disproof is backed by evidence, sure. If it's just a logical argument, forget it.
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RE: Solving the Ignosticism (is meant for ignostics)
August 21, 2016 at 8:12 pm
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People forget, sometimes, that a logical argument sans evidentiary support....... is just an exercise in game theory.
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RE: Solving the Ignosticism (is meant for ignostics)
August 21, 2016 at 8:18 pm
I'm happy to spam my video about it one more time to hammer the bastard home 
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RE: Solving the Ignosticism (is meant for ignostics)
August 21, 2016 at 8:45 pm
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(August 21, 2016 at 9:22 am)theBorg Wrote: (August 21, 2016 at 8:01 am)robvalue Wrote: It may not even be a meaningful definition, because it assumes there actually was a first life form. This assumes either a finite past
Quote: "for a physicist infinity is monstrosity! In real world, there is no such thing as infinity." (the famous Dr. Michio Kaku, the Japanese American theoretical physicist, futurist, and popularizer of science. Kaku is a professor of theoretical physics at the City College...). Shall I give you my short (unpublished in the PRE) disproof of the infinite past?
Please, don't. I beg of you...
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RE: Solving the Ignosticism (is meant for ignostics)
August 21, 2016 at 8:56 pm
Oh what the hell.... Can't be any worse, can it?
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RE: Solving the Ignosticism (is meant for ignostics)
August 22, 2016 at 1:47 am
Even if he manages it, his God can still be a piece of sputum.
Step 1: Overly simplistic models based on an intuitive understanding of observable reality, extrapolated to all of reality without justification.
Step 2: Logical steps with optional fallacies.
Step 3: Pre-drawn conclusion.
Feel free to miss out steps 1 and 2 for efficiency.
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RE: Solving the Ignosticism (is meant for ignostics)
August 22, 2016 at 7:13 am
(August 21, 2016 at 7:48 pm)robvalue Wrote: (August 21, 2016 at 9:22 am)theBorg Wrote: Quote: "for a physicist infinity is monstrosity! In real world, there is no such thing as infinity." (the famous Dr. Michio Kaku, the Japanese American theoretical physicist, futurist, and popularizer of science. Kaku is a professor of theoretical physics at the City College...). Shall I give you my short (unpublished in the PRE) disproof of the infinite past?
I'm not aware that this quote has been demonstrated to be factually accurate. If it has, I'd be interested to know.
Since the measuring ruler has not an infinite number, and any place on the ruler has a certain number, then the line has a finite size. Therefore, there is no infinite past and integers line (1,2,3,4,....) is only potentially infinite, but not actually endless. Then there is no infinite future (the time runs out, as the Christians believe), and no infinite space too. No infinite velocity, but the velocity has limit: the v<c.
The Kaku agrees: "Michio Kaku: It's The Collapse Of Physics As We Know it (Infinity Equation is Impossible)", YouTube.
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