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A Necessary Being?
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RE: A Necessary Being?
August 29, 2016 at 5:22 pm
(August 29, 2016 at 5:16 pm)Rhythm Wrote: It doesn't AOI, it -just- means that the thing can't "not exist".  No purpose involved or implied.

In that case it's purpose IS "to exist", in other words it will have to exist just for the sake of existing... a meaningless, pointless existence.
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RE: A Necessary Being?
August 29, 2016 at 5:23 pm
(August 29, 2016 at 5:11 pm)robvalue Wrote: I'd be a bit concerned if there was something I believed existed, but it was still up for discussion where it's even possible such a thing existed.

I'm sure Copernicus felt the same way.
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RE: A Necessary Being?
August 29, 2016 at 5:24 pm
(August 29, 2016 at 5:21 pm)Arkilogue Wrote:
(August 29, 2016 at 4:44 pm)quip Wrote: "Being" means existing in space and time which of course implied an inevitable ending.

A "necessary" being suggest an existence beyond the normal parameters given above, mere metaphysical speculation...though I'd enjoy pondering an argument for.

When do quarks end?  Forms rise and fall but the stuff they're made of remains to rise again.

The latest perspective in science is that the universe (our space time) is expanding and accelerating, how can it end?

Good question, I don't know. Though can they be considered 'beings'? Is this all semantics?
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August 29, 2016 at 5:24 pm (This post was last modified: August 29, 2016 at 5:24 pm by robvalue.)
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August 29, 2016 at 5:24 pm
(August 29, 2016 at 5:22 pm)Aoi Magi Wrote:
(August 29, 2016 at 5:16 pm)Rhythm Wrote: It doesn't AOI, it -just- means that the thing can't "not exist".  No purpose involved or implied.

In that case it's purpose IS "to exist", in other words it will have to exist just for the sake of existing... a meaningless, pointless existence.

Again, there is no purpose...I don't know why you keep referring to purpose.
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RE: A Necessary Being?
August 29, 2016 at 5:24 pm
(August 29, 2016 at 5:22 pm)robvalue Wrote: Hehe.

I don't get the point of speculating about how reality could have been, when we have what it actually is, right in front of us.

Anyone?

If we don't speculate, how am I going to keep enjoying the weed?
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August 29, 2016 at 5:24 pm (This post was last modified: August 29, 2016 at 5:26 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(August 29, 2016 at 5:22 pm)Aoi Magi Wrote:
(August 29, 2016 at 5:16 pm)Rhythm Wrote: It doesn't AOI, it -just- means that the thing can't "not exist".  No purpose involved or implied.

In that case it's purpose IS "to exist", in other words it will have to exist just for the sake of existing... a meaningless, pointless existence.

Again, there is no purpose involved or implied in the concept...I don't know why you keep referring to purpose.  You could assign it that purpose, but that would be another issue.

Is there some inherent purpose to the abstract concept of numbers...to that necessary being...or did we assign it a purpose - namely, for counting things?
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RE: A Necessary Being?
August 29, 2016 at 5:24 pm
(August 29, 2016 at 5:22 pm)Aoi Magi Wrote:
(August 29, 2016 at 5:16 pm)Rhythm Wrote: It doesn't AOI, it -just- means that the thing can't "not exist".  No purpose involved or implied.

In that case it's purpose IS "to exist", in other words it will have to exist just for the sake of existing... a meaningless, pointless existence.
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RE: A Necessary Being?
August 29, 2016 at 5:26 pm
(August 29, 2016 at 5:24 pm)Rhythm Wrote:
(August 29, 2016 at 5:22 pm)Aoi Magi Wrote: In that case it's purpose IS "to exist", in other words it will have to exist just for the sake of existing... a meaningless, pointless existence.

Again, there is no purpose...I don't know why you keep referring to purpose.

Because "necessary" implies "purpose". An infinite existence is not a necessary existence.
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RE: A Necessary Being?
August 29, 2016 at 5:27 pm (This post was last modified: August 29, 2016 at 5:28 pm by quip.)
(August 29, 2016 at 5:26 pm)Aoi Magi Wrote:
(August 29, 2016 at 5:24 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Again, there is no purpose...I don't know why you keep referring to purpose.

Because "necessary" implies "purpose".

Not logical necessity.
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