Is the Hadith a Forgery?

[Minimalist]

Experience shows that oral tales are not reliably transmitted from person to person.  There is no way to verify what they originally said.... if they said anything.

[ScienceAf]

Experience shows that oral tales are not reliably transmitted from person to person.  There is no way to verify what they originally said.... if they said anything.

That's one of the most stupid concepts I've found in Islam.
Besides the slavery, pillaging, pedophilia, rape, and murder.
But other wise, fuck it.

[Angrboda]

Experience shows that oral tales are not reliably transmitted from person to person.  There is no way to verify what they originally said.... if they said anything.

But Muhammad definitely said that the sun sets in a muddy stream. That part is not a forgery.

[ScienceAf]

Experience shows that oral tales are not reliably transmitted from person to person.  There is no way to verify what they originally said.... if they said anything.

But Muhammad definitely said that the sun sets in a muddy stream.  That part is not a forgery.

Preach*

[Angrboda]

But Muhammad definitely said that the sun sets in a muddy stream.  That part is not a forgery.

Preach*

Wut?

[ScienceAf]

Preach*

Wut?

Lol?

[Minimalist]

Experience shows that oral tales are not reliably transmitted from person to person.  There is no way to verify what they originally said.... if they said anything.

But Muhammad definitely said that the sun sets in a muddy stream.  That part is not a forgery.

More likely stolen.

https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Dhul-Qarnayn_..._the_Great

Kevin Van Bladel sums up the correspondence with the Qur’an passage in his recent article:

Thus, quite strikingly, almost every element of this short Qur’anic tale finds a more explicit and detailed counterpart in the Syriac Alexander Legend. In both texts the specific events are given in precisely the same order. Already earlier several cases of specific words that are exact matches between the Syriac and the Arabic were indicated. The water at the place where the sun sets is “fetid” in both texts, a perfect coincidence of two uncommon synonyms (Syraic Saryâ and Arabic hami’a).[

[ScienceAf]

But Muhammad definitely said that the sun sets in a muddy stream.  That part is not a forgery.

More likely stolen.

https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Dhul-Qarnayn_..._the_Great

Kevin Van Bladel sums up the correspondence with the Qur’an passage in his recent article:

Thus, quite strikingly, almost every element of this short Qur’anic tale finds a more explicit and detailed counterpart in the Syriac Alexander Legend. In both texts the specific events are given in precisely the same order. Already earlier several cases of specific words that are exact matches between the Syriac and the Arabic were indicated. The water at the place where the sun sets is “fetid” in both texts, a perfect coincidence of two uncommon synonyms (Syraic Saryâ and Arabic hami’a).[

Woot, I can say fuck islam

[robvalue]

That's Islams burden.
They just have to find a way.
Like maybe mention upcoming hadiths in the Qur'an.
If they can't then who am I to know if they are legitimate or not.

I mean, who defines what's a legitimate part of islam and what isn't?

This is the problem, yes. Anything supposedly written/inspired "by God" is a forgery, because it's not what it claims to be.

And there is no criteria. Anyone can make up any religion and say any text they feel like is "genuine". And someone else can join the religion and say that it is not genuine. There are just no standards in theology.

[Minimalist]

Correct, Rob.  They need a pope.

Of course, all that would do is cause riots over who was pope.