Evolution Theory - please show the proofs

[Minimalist]

The two phd 'scholar' you referred to.

Jonathan Wells has received two Ph.D.s, one in Molecular and Cell Biology from the University of California at Berkeley, and one in Religious Studies from Yale University.

I submit that the second one is worth shit. but let's consider the first one.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_We...dvocate%29

What he is, is a fucking Moonie.

In 1974 Wells joined the Unification Church.[10] He graduated from the church's Unification Theological Seminary in 1978 with a Masters in Religious Education.[11] Wells continued his studies at Yale University, earning a PhD in religious studies in 1986, focusing on historical reactions to Darwinism.[12] During this time he wrote extensively on Unification theology and taught at the Unification Theological Seminary

[Tiberius]

If you think language is only present in humans, you may want to watch this video (6 parts). Noam Chomsky is wrong on this issue; plain and simple. But then, he is a linguist and philosopher, not a biologist, so he can be forgiven for thinking that language is unique to humans

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSVF4CuXYno

[NoGodaloud ?]

This entire 'discussion' is a farce, just as I have concluded from the other thread.

yes, thats why we stop it here.

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If you think language is only present in humans, you may want to watch this video (6 parts). Noam Chomsky is wrong on this issue; plain and simple. But then, he is a linguist and philosopher, not a biologist, so he can be forgiven for thinking that language is unique to humans

monkeys building houses, cars, exploring the moon ? making philosophical ponderations ?

[Shell B]

monkeys building houses, cars, exploring the moon ? making philosophical ponderations ?

What do houses, cars, the moon and philosophy have to do with being able to speak? Show conclusive evidence of your claims.

[Tiberius]

If you aren't going to watch the video, and are just going to make some form of snide comment about it, then you are guilty of just ignoring the evidence when it is presented to you. Have a bit of intellectual honesty, please. If you watch the video, we can have a discussion on it. Otherwise, you don't have any right to try to criticize evidence you haven't even looked at yet.

[NoGodaloud ?]

What do houses, cars, the moon and philosophy have to do with being able to speak? Show conclusive evidence of your claims.

do all of this without speaking and communicating as we do...i want to see....

[Shell B]

do all of this without speaking and communicating as we do...i want to see....

A. We do not build houses, go to the moon or philosophize without speaking. Of course, we can and/or do these things without speaking on occasion, but all of these skills develop through communication. I'm pretty sure humans communicated through speech before writing.

B. You have still failed to show what any of these things has to do with the ability to speak. Are you trying to say that because other primates do not go to the moon, etc. that it must mean they cannot communicate verbally?

[NoGodaloud ?]

B. You have still failed to show what any of these things has to do with the ability to speak. Are you trying to say that because other primates do not go to the moon, etc. that it must mean they cannot communicate verbally?

all this accomplishments are only possible through intelligent communication.

http://www.trueorigin.org/language01.asp

‘So this is the real mystery. Even under these loosened criteria, there are no simple languages used among other species, though there are many other equally or more complicated modes of communication. Why not? And the problem is even more counterintuitive when we consider the almost insurmountable difficulties of teaching language to other species. This is surprising, because there are many clever species. Though researchers report that language-like communication has been taught to nonhuman species, even the best results are not above legitimate challenges, and the fact that it is difficult to prove whether or not some of these efforts have succeeded attests to the rather limited scope of the resulting behaviors, as well as to deep disagreements about what exactly constitutes language-like behavior

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If you aren't going to watch the video, and are just going to make some form of snide comment about it, then you are guilty of just ignoring the evidence when it is presented to you. Have a bit of intellectual honesty, please. If you watch the video, we can have a discussion on it. Otherwise, you don't have any right to try to criticize evidence you haven't even looked at yet.

i prefere a written debate. no videos.

[Shell B]

all this accomplishments are only possible through intelligent communication.

That is neither here nor there. Please tell me how the lack of this things [sic] proves that other animals cannot communicate verbally.

i prefere a written debate. no videos.

Unfortunately, you are embroiled in a debate with a person who has presented a video. I prefer not having to reword the same post over and over in the hope that you will answer my question, yet I do it anyway for the sake of debating you. If you do not watch the video, you are essentially ignoring part of Adrian's argument.

[Minimalist]

If it doesn't start "IN THE BEGINNING...." he's not interested, Shel.


Here's what his Moonie 'scholar' believes.

Unification Church beliefs are summarized in the textbook Divine Principle and include belief in a universal God; in striving toward the creation of a literal Kingdom of God on earth; in the universal salvation of all people, good and evil, living and dead; and that a man born in Korea in the early 20th century received from Jesus the mission to be realized as the second coming of Christ.

I guess he takes his allies where and when he can find them!