What to say when somebody asks about the big bang

[Arkilogue]

You mean if the things we think we know have always been true, then ...


I don't think that premise will hunt.

I suppose what I think you're suggesting is the safest place: "We can only speak of the predictability of the universe right now, it may not have been so in the past and might not be in the future." Feel free to trash or refine that statement.

It's doesn't bode well for science though.

[Whateverist]

You mean if the things we think we know have always been true, then ...


I don't think that premise will hunt.

I suppose what I think you're suggesting is the safest place: "We can only speak of the predictability of the universe right now, it may not have been so in the past and might not be in the future." Feel free to trash or refine that statement.

It's doesn't bode well for science though.

I don't see why.  Science isn't concerned with finding all the objective, unvarying and eternal truths, just empirical ones. You know, in the here and now.

[Arkilogue]

If matter/energy cannot be created nor destroyed but only transformed, then somethingness has always been here changing forms.

Could it be that all the energy of our universe was contained within the "God", and the "God" transformed itself into the universe? Is this already a belief? Or does it not make sense?

EDIT: Looks like I'm describing Pandeism.

That is very close to what I have found/hammered out, didn't even know there was a term for it: Panentheism. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panentheism Panentheism (meaning "all-in-God", from the Ancient Greek πᾶν pân, "all", ἐν en, "in" and Θεός Theós, "God") is the belief that the divine interpenetrates every part of the universe and also extends beyond time and space. Unlike pantheism, which holds that the divine and the universe are identical,[1] panentheism maintains a distinction between the divine and non-divine and the significance of both.[2]


In my working model: God is an infinite absolute substance (like an "ocean" with no top, bottom or sides) which self cavitates (like a bubble) into an infinite number of finite relative spaces. The unified properties of the original infinite get spread out and individuated inside each voided space bubble (universe) like the individual color from bent white light.

The original unified Infinite (GOD) still exists above and below the infinite number of spatially finite universes but it had to sacrifice omni-presence for the infinite spaces of creation (universes) to exist at all and they are all patterned in the exact same manner but develop differently.

Interesting thing about dividing an extant infinite, no matter where you cut through it as a plane (to create infinite spherical universes at the same time), it is divided exactly in half. If you were to mythologize the original Infinite as a human body, you would say creation sprang from the persons navel. Look up Vishnu.

[Arkilogue]

In tying the model back to the big bang, what actually happened was a Great Contraction of the original infinite substance to make room for the spaces of universes. It's the same action of "inflation".

Take the balloon model of universal expansion. The subconscious assumption in using that example is that air pressure is being increased on the inside to expand the balloon surface (space-time). The exact same relative motion of the balloon membrane (expansion of space-time) can be achieved by lowering the air pressure outside the balloon. That is what my model is describing.

[Thumpalumpacus]

Could it be that all the energy of our universe was contained within the "God", and the "God" transformed itself into the universe? Is this already a belief? Or does it not make sense?

EDIT: Looks like I'm describing Pandeism.

That is very close to what I have found/hammered out, didn't even know there was a term for it: Panentheism. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panentheism Panentheism (meaning "all-in-God", from the Ancient Greek πᾶν pân, "all", ἐν en, "in" and Θεός Theós, "God") is the belief that the divine interpenetrates every part of the universe and also extends beyond time and space. Unlike pantheism, which holds that the divine and the universe are identical,[1] panentheism maintains a distinction between the divine and non-divine and the significance of both.[2]


In my working model: God is an infinite absolute substance (like an "ocean" with no top, bottom or sides) which self cavitates (like a bubble) into an infinite number of finite relative spaces. The unified properties of the original infinite get spread out and individuated inside each voided space bubble (universe) like the individual color from bent white light.

The original unified Infinite (GOD) still exists above and below the infinite number of spatially finite universes but it had to sacrifice omni-presence for the infinite spaces of creation (universes) to exist at all and they are all patterned in the exact same manner but develop differently.

Interesting thing about dividing an extant infinite, no matter where you cut through it as a plane (to create infinite spherical universes at the same time), it is divided exactly in half. If you were to mythologize the original Infinite as a human body, you would say creation sprang from the persons navel.  Look up Vishnu.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

When people ask me about the Big Bang Theory, I always tell them the same thing:  put Stuart in more episodes.

Boru

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Interesting thing about dividing an extant infinite, no matter where you cut through it as a plane (to create infinite spherical universes at the same time), it is divided exactly in half.

And half of infinity would be what, exactly?

Boru

[Gawdzilla Sama]

"Where did the stuff that 'banged' come from?"

"Same place your God came from."

God has always been there.....so has energy/matter according to the first law of thermodynamics.

You're half right.

[Arkilogue]

Interesting thing about dividing an extant infinite, no matter where you cut through it as a plane (to create infinite spherical universes at the same time), it is divided exactly in half.

And half of infinity would be what, exactly?

Boru

Half of infinity is infinity. But take 1 divided by 2 = .5, that works 2d/mathematically. Now take a pie and divide it in half...you still have the whole pie now divided into two equal sections. So it is with a 3d infinite pie. You still have infinite pie on both sides of a division. Now matter where you divide an extant infinity, it is exactly in half. "Where" is all the same place, at center.

[Arkilogue]

God has always been there.....so has energy/matter according to the first law of thermodynamics.

You're half right.

So you work with the theory that matter and energy are eternal, you just don't label any state of it "God"...yes?