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RE: Supernatural Evidence?
October 18, 2016 at 3:32 pm
(October 17, 2016 at 8:49 pm)Soldat Du Christ Wrote: Alright self-proclaimed athiests, this is where your integrity is put into question. As some of you will so valiantly declair nuetrality, the default position being a lack of belief in god, rather than being closed off to the possibility.
Taking that stance will leave you inlcined to be open to the supernatural, as the very idea of God implies supernatural. This isn't a 'GOTCHA' question, i have a following proposition.
So, are you open to supernatural evidence?
Provide evidence that supernatural is actually a thing then we'll talk.
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RE: Supernatural Evidence?
October 18, 2016 at 3:32 pm
(October 17, 2016 at 8:49 pm)Soldat Du Christ Wrote: Alright self-proclaimed athiests, this is where your integrity is put into question. As some of you will so valiantly declair nuetrality, the default position being a lack of belief in god, rather than being closed off to the possibility.
Taking that stance will leave you inlcined to be open to the supernatural, as the very idea of God implies supernatural. This isn't a 'GOTCHA' question, i have a following proposition.
So, are you open to supernatural evidence?
Provide evidence that supernatural is actually a thing then we'll talk.
You can fix ignorance, you can't fix stupid.
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RE: Supernatural Evidence?
October 18, 2016 at 4:08 pm
(October 17, 2016 at 8:49 pm)Soldat Du Christ Wrote: Alright self-proclaimed athiests, this is where your integrity is put into question. As some of you will so valiantly declair nuetrality, the default position being a lack of belief in god, rather than being closed off to the possibility.
Taking that stance will leave you inlcined to be open to the supernatural, as the very idea of God implies supernatural. This isn't a 'GOTCHA' question, i have a following proposition.
So, are you open to supernatural evidence?
How would you go about proving that the supernatural exists?
How would you go about verifying, repeating and falsifying supernatural evidence?
Even if the above could be accomplished, how would you go about proving that a god was responsible, let alone your specific god?
Go....
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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RE: Supernatural Evidence?
October 18, 2016 at 4:17 pm
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(October 17, 2016 at 8:49 pm)Soldat Du Christ Wrote: Alright self-proclaimed athiests, this is where your integrity is put into question. As some of you will so valiantly declair nuetrality, the default position being a lack of belief in god, rather than being closed off to the possibility.
Taking that stance will leave you inlcined to be open to the supernatural, as the very idea of God implies supernatural. This isn't a 'GOTCHA' question, i have a following proposition.
So, are you open to supernatural evidence?
Absolutely not. Entirely open to evidence of a god (preceded hopefully by a useable definition). But 'the supernatural' is an incoherent category. If a god exists he'll just have to be natural like everything else that actually exists.
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RE: Supernatural Evidence?
October 18, 2016 at 4:17 pm
(October 18, 2016 at 2:25 pm)Soldat Du Christ Wrote: Proposition 1. Job 38:16
"Hast thou entered into the springs of the sea? or hast thou walked in the search of the depth?
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Discovered 1977
http://www.waterencyclopedia.com/Ge-Hy/H...Floor.html
Explain to me how this is evidence of the supernatural.
I don't believe you. Get over it.
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RE: Supernatural Evidence?
October 18, 2016 at 4:25 pm
(This post was last modified: October 18, 2016 at 4:26 pm by BrianSoddingBoru4.)
As others above have intimated, I'm not sure I'd be able to recognize 'supernatural evidence' at all. I'm a natural being - my senses and sensory interpretations rely on the natural world (there isn't anything supernatural about photons or sound waves).
For an event to be evidentiary in nature, it would need to be interpretable equally well by everyone who experiences it. If that were the case, then it would no longer be 'super'natural, just natural.
Can you give some examples of evidence - any evidence - that qualifies as supernatural?
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RE: Supernatural Evidence?
October 18, 2016 at 4:36 pm
(October 17, 2016 at 10:37 pm)Tres Leches Wrote: In my 44 years, I've never seen any "supernatural evidence". Why would I be inclined to believe you have any?
If you perceived anything at all, how would you know it was supernatural? Do I have the sensory means to perceive whatever that is supposed to be? Does whatever it is we're calling the 'supernatural' have the means to produce natural sense data, and if so does that mean it is an amalgam of natural and unnatural components?
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RE: Supernatural Evidence?
October 18, 2016 at 4:44 pm
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(October 18, 2016 at 2:25 pm)Soldat Du Christ Wrote: Proposition 1. Job 38:16
"Hast thou entered into the springs of the sea? or hast thou walked in the search of the depth?
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Discovered 1977
http://www.waterencyclopedia.com/Ge-Hy/H...Floor.html
NOTICE: Lateral moves, ad hominums, and other evasions will not be noticed. Adress the evidence, and only the evidence presented.
Notice things that are not natural are incapable of being noticed or otherwise detected in any way and so must also go ignored. But by all means use your tender feelings to ignore all the points you can't answer. Whenever you get tired of making a spectacle of yourself you know where the door is.
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RE: Supernatural Evidence?
October 18, 2016 at 4:45 pm
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Reinterpreting holy books is an explicit claim of their having been wrong to begin with. It's not even a disagreement at that point. I think magic book is wrong, and so too does the believer. It's also an explicit claim of the incompetency of a god....because what he really -meant- to say, but couldn't or didn't,...was "x".
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RE: Supernatural Evidence?
October 18, 2016 at 4:46 pm
He doesn't even know what an ad hominem is LMAO.
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