Supernatural Evidence?

[Whateverist]

So, are you open to supernatural evidence?

How do you propose to bring what is outside of nature into nature?

Yeah, you'd hate to see it get contaminated and have to throw out the whole batch.

[Pat Mustard]

Alright self-proclaimed athiests, this is where your integrity is put into question. As some of you will so valiantly declair nuetrality, the default position being a lack of belief in god, rather than being closed off to the possibility.

Taking that stance will leave you inlcined to be open to the supernatural, as the very idea of God implies supernatural. This isn't a 'GOTCHA' question, i have a following proposition.

So, are you open to supernatural evidence?

No, I'd much rather deal with what is real rather than fairy stories.

[Pat Mustard]

Alright self-proclaimed athiests, this is where your integrity is put into question. As some of you will so valiantly declair nuetrality, the default position being a lack of belief in god, rather than being closed off to the possibility.

Taking that stance will leave you inlcined to be open to the supernatural, as the very idea of God implies supernatural. This isn't a 'GOTCHA' question, i have a following proposition.

So, are you open to supernatural evidence?

From long experience the thread will quickly turn to semantics. The argument will be that everything previously thought supernatural later got rolled into natural. Blah blah blah. When in fact the opposite happened. We expanded the definition of natural to encompass previously dismissed phenomena.

Wooters, you'd have a valid argument, if every single word you posted was not a complete and utter denial of fact. Do you think we should accept thunder as god caused despite knowing the natural pocesses that cause it? Gravity? Crop growth? Smelting? Solar system creation?

These are all things that have a stamp of the divine in the bible, yet which we have figured out totally natural causes for.

It's shit like this which leaves you with no respect on this forum.

Proposition 1. Job 38:16
"Hast thou entered into the springs of the sea? or hast thou walked in the search of the depth?
"

Discovered 1977
http://www.waterencyclopedia.com/Ge-Hy/H...Floor.html

NOTICE: Lateral moves, ad hominums, and other evasions will not be noticed. Adress the evidence, and only the evidence presented.

The only thing you've proven is that people have been free diving for thousands of years, they knew the sea was "deep" but couldn't say how deep

[Pat Mustard]

Yes, absolutely.  Let "god" heal a 1,000 adult amputees of his/her/its own choosing and I will renounce my atheism publicly, right on this board!

Remember this if there is evil in this world, then there must be something good, you can't have one without the other!!!!! Something good, was turned bad!!! Good has always come before anything was evil or bad! For example there are good spirits and there are evil spirits!!!!!!!!!! There are angels and there are demons!!!! There had to be a source that created the good and the bad!!

Obvious poe is obvious.

[Pat Mustard]

Remember this if there is evil in this world, then there must be something good, you can't have one without the other!!!!! Something good, was turned bad!!! Good has always come before anything was evil or bad! For example there are good spirits and there are evil spirits!!!!!!!!!! There are angels and there are demons!!!! There had to be a source that created the good and the bad!!

Actualy only good exists. Evil is the absence of good. Darkness is the absence of light, cold is the absence of warmpth. All the same concept

You forgot the most important, Soldat du christ is the absence of brain.

[chimp3]

Actualy only good exists. Evil is the absence of good. Darkness is the absence of light, cold is the absence of warmpth. All the same concept

So, evil does not exist?

[robvalue]

I hate that nonsense. The absence of good is neutral. Binary religous thinking, tsk tsk! Is a rock evil? Fuck me.

[Huggy Bear]

I hate that nonsense. The absence of good is neutral. Binary religous thinking, tsk tsk! Is a rock evil? Fuck me.

Terrible example Rob, a rock isn't a free moral agent.

Neutrality CAN be evil... if a person was aware that a child was being sexually abused (this seems to be the theme lately), but remained neutral, would that not be evil?

The opposite of love isn't hate, it's indifference.

[Mr Greene]

Except that the baseline assumption is that the Universe was created specifically for the contest of good vs. evil thus must be a component part at the most fundamental level, thus the rock must be good or evil or the assumption is falsified.

[Whateverist]

I demand to see supernatural evidence for the existence of the natural world!

In the absence of any attempt so far I can see only two possible responses:  reject the natural world or reject the supernatural.  

See ya, supernatural.  You're fired.