RE: How important are each of Haight's Five Foundations of Morality to you?
October 26, 2016 at 7:06 pm
(October 25, 2016 at 9:27 pm)paulpabl Wrote: I have the same outlook on everything you just said except the ingroup loyalty.
I consider my ingroup to be my family and my loyalty pretty unshakeable these days, pretty much. The members of my family are the only people who could not talk to me for over a month then ask me to drive them somewhere for no petrol money or anything and I'd be very happy to do it.
And obviously most people in a family rely on some sort of ingroup loyalty along these sort of lines.
Just to clarify the fact I put a high importance on ingroup loyalty doesn't mean I easily associate with groups. It's actually the opposite, I really don't get supporting football teams or being proud of your nationality. But with the group I do identify as being a part of which is my family I have a fuck load of loyalty because my family have provided so much for me.
I know, but it's way too prone to abuse to for me to rate it any higher than B, and frankly too important to be C. Of course, abuse of loyalty is often tied to Authority (e.g. the desire to be loyal to the Catholic Church leading to massive cover-ups of child molestation), but even in family things loyalty can have its limitations on morality.
Case in point, David Gushee wrote a book called Righteous Gentiles and the Holocaust. There were many "Aryans" in Nazi Germany who did not like the atrocities being committed to the Jews, but did not lift a finger to save any Jews. Why did this happen? Gushee argued it was a little thing called "boundaries of moral obligation." And family, (or at least fear of harm coming to it) wound up becoming a major boundary keeping many of these gentiles from saving more Jews. Ethics can get damnsome complicated if you look too closely into it is all I'm saying.
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