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RE: Similarities between Islam and Christianity
September 1, 2010 at 1:07 am
Simply bollocks anna.
Mohammed is descended from the wrong line (the lineage of prophets was deemed important hence the futile efforts to gain some credibility) - Muslims claim the Ishmael link which simply isn't true. Mohammed himself said it was lies (Halabieh I, page 36) and the author was declared a forger by scholars (Halabieh, I, page 93).
The mainstream Christian church regards Allah as nothing at all like God (see the other thread).
Muslims made their own version of the Judaic bible to try to make the Quran make sense. The original Quran, dictated to Mohammed directly by God, was destroyed deliberately and re-written. It still contains many undeniable contradictions.
Christians believe what was attributed to Moses actually had very many authors, that the bible wasn't directly dictated but inspired.
Muslims are literalists and try to claim absurd fact along with creationists.
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RE: Similarities between Islam and Christianity
September 1, 2010 at 5:47 am
Quote:And xtians stole most of their ideas from the Greeks or Romans and the Jews stole most of their ideas from the Zoroastrians?
So what?
I wouldnt say just Zoroastrians many other semetic religions. Who knows perhaps they were worshipping God and then all of a sudden, they worshipped gods...
Beliefs shouldnt stay stagent, they should change, depending on the cultrue, theology and philosophy...
Its ok to have doubt, just dont let that doubt become the answers.
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RE: Similarities between Islam and Christianity
September 1, 2010 at 8:20 am
(September 1, 2010 at 1:07 am)fr0d0 Wrote: It still contains many undeniable contradictions.
True.
And the Bible doesn't?
Turn to page 1.
Does Yahweh create the plants and animals before man or after?
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RE: Similarities between Islam and Christianity
September 1, 2010 at 1:31 pm
The most important difference between Christianity and Islam is their views of Jesus Christ.
Christians believe that he was the Son of God and that he died and then rose from the dead to pay for our sins and make a way that we could be forgiven. We can't earn salvation by anything we do so our only hope is to have our sins forgiven by faith in Jesus.
Muslims consider him a prophet but nothing more. They deny that he was the Son of God or that he was crucified and rose again. They beleive that salvation is attained by how we live.
His invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse.
Romans 1:20 ESV
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RE: Similarities between Islam and Christianity
September 1, 2010 at 1:49 pm
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(September 1, 2010 at 1:31 pm)theophilus Wrote: (See above)
A few corrections. The Muslims consider him the second greatest among the prophets (whatever that means) who was born of a virgin, could perform miracles and rose into the sky to be with Yahweh-Allah. They interpret "son of God" (lower case "s") in the poetic sense of the word, that we're all children of God. They have a "tale of two cities" twist on the crucifixion story but still have Jesus flying into the sky at the end of his life on this earth.
As for the faith vs. works issue, not all Christians believe that salvation is by faith alone. The Bible itself contradicts itself on this issue. Revelation foretells a judgment of people "according to their works". Catholicism certainly stresses works while some Protestant apologists I've debated with believe salvation is by a blend of the two factors.
Regardless, the distinction is a hair-splitting one to someone who doesn't believe in all this supernatural stuff.
From my perspective as a naturalist, the biggest difference is not the distinction of Jesus' divinity but how they apply their scripture. Christians have an "out" from parts of the Bible they don't like, saying with a wave of the hand, "Meh, Jesus died to fulfill that". Consequently, "liberal Christianity" or one that is compatible with the modern and democratic world, is possible. Muslims, AFAIK, have no such "out". They're stuck with their scripture as written.
Attn: Annatar, please correct me on this if I'm wrong.
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RE: Similarities between Islam and Christianity
September 1, 2010 at 3:10 pm
(September 1, 2010 at 8:20 am)DeistPaladin Wrote: (September 1, 2010 at 1:07 am)fr0d0 Wrote: It still contains many undeniable contradictions.
True.
And the Bible doesn't?
Turn to page 1.
Does Yahweh create the plants and animals before man or after? I t ' s a p o e m P a l a d i n . 
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RE: Similarities between Islam and Christianity
September 1, 2010 at 3:10 pm
God's a shitty poet?
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RE: Similarities between Islam and Christianity
September 1, 2010 at 3:32 pm
(September 1, 2010 at 3:10 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: I t ' s a p o e m P a l a d i n .
OK.
Another question, then. Was Jesus born during the reign of Herod the Great (5 BCE or prior) or during the administration of Quirinius of Syria (6 CE or after)?
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RE: Similarities between Islam and Christianity
September 1, 2010 at 4:26 pm
I have no idea Pal. I go with the best understanding currently. My point is that these issues are at best good challenges but never prove beyond doubt blatantly contradiction.
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RE: Similarities between Islam and Christianity
September 2, 2010 at 12:06 am
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(August 31, 2010 at 7:41 pm)solja247 Wrote: Islam is not Intrinsic, it stole its ideas and traditions from Christians and Jews...
*sigh* You probably don't even understand the origin of Christianity I'm assuming. Christianity is not original buddy.
(September 1, 2010 at 1:31 pm)theophilus Wrote: The most important difference between Christianity and Islam is their views of Jesus.
Christians believe that he was the Son of God and that he died and then rose from the dead to pay for our sins and make a way that we could be forgiven. We can't earn salvation, it doesn't exist.
Muslims consider him a prophet but nothing more. They deny that he was the Son of God or that he was crucified and rose again. They believe that salvation is attained by how we live.
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