RE: The positive case for voting Donald Trump for president.

[Napoléon]

Okay, I understand now. You and your kind are basically children throwing a temper tantrum. As such, you are living completely in the moment, blind and unconcerned about how in fucking the establishment, you are fucking yourselves - and the rest of us. You are irresponsible and immature and don't deserve the right to vote. You're also public enemies. You're not only a bunch of fucking idiots, you're dangerous.

I'll respond to this without the insults because apparently that's all I do. I'll just try to ignore all the ones you threw at me and the basket of deplorables you just lumped me in with.

In all fairness, I think a large portion of the way people will vote, will indeed be a protest of sorts. Whether right or wrong people will vote for Trump on the basis that he doesn't represent the establishment and might just change things in their favour. Until you and 'your kind' stop resorting to insults like above, stop ignoring the issues that people want to be heard, 'my kind' will vote for the only candidates actually listening.

And just in case there's any doubt, I'm just going along with the 'my kind your kind' thing for sarcasm's sake. Personally I'm a little tired of the divisive 'us and them' mentality, from both sides of the fence.

[Edwardo Piet]

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Actually this describes you to a T. This is exactly what I'm talking about. You admitted it yourself which is why I posted about it in the hall of shame:


The only person who can't stand a difference of opinion here is you. Clearly. And you even admit it. You said yourself here you'd rather I called you a cunt. You say yourself here that you'd rather someone insulted you than your opinions. That is not someone who is capable of debating.  And this is why it's pointless ever arguing with your opinions and less of a waste of time if I simply laugh at them.


Actually, you just label anyone who disagrees with you as being part of a circle jerk. I've never known anyone be so opinionated and hated it so much when others have opinions too and got all offended when others disagree with them... well, I've known a few people who have been close but you're the worst for it. You're so bad for it that you admit it... and then you seriously try to tell me that I'm the one who can't stand a difference of opinion? You're so full of shit.

It's hilarious that you always label others as butthurt when you're so butthurt you get more offended by a difference of opinion than being called a cunt. I can't disagree with you without hurting your fragile little ego because you can't stand it when people think your opinions are stupid. The truth hurts right? They are fucking stupid. That is me attacking your opinions, not you... but you wonder why I resort to laughing at you when you admit yourself that you're going to take it more personally whenever someone disagrees with or laughs at your opinions than when they insult or laugh at you anyways?

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#triggered

Considering how deeply you want to go bashing me in the above, I think it pretty obvious who has the vendetta. Who takes it personal.

For starters, you're misrepresenting the fuck out of shit I've said historically. Don't fucking sit there and tell me and everyone else here about all this shit I've supposedly admitted to when I've said no such thing. I didn't peg you as a dishonest liar who would attempt to smear someone in such a way. The context is there on all of my previous posts, if you want to take a quote of something I said previously and twist all context to it that's up to you, but to then call me the asshole in this situation when you're clearly the one with the problem is a fucking joke. You're the one who bashes every differing opinion I post. You're the one who has posted my shit in the hall of shame. You're the one instigating this bullshit now and you're the one with the fucking problem dude.

I have openly admitted to being an asshole on this forum yeah. I've admitted to being rude to people straight off the bat sometimes when it probably isn't necessary. But one thing I think I always am is honest about it, if I ever make a mistake I'm usually the first to admit I'm wrong. I think my reputation on this forum is testament to that to be perfectly fair. Whenever I say there's a circle jerk here or that this forum is full of people with the same opinion, that's because for 95% of the posts it's fucking true. How many posts do we get a day with the same opinion? I don't resort to using this every time someone says something to contend my own opinions, I certainly wouldn't if they used reasoning to back up their viewpoints, but often times they don't bother, like you didn't bother in this very thread. Hence the comments about this being a circle jerk.

Oh, and if ridiculing someone's comments with no reasoning given, is not an insult, neither is calling them a hypocrite and backing it up with the reason, an insult.

I think I touched a nerve.

The point is you had a problem with me laughing at you when you've already said that you'd rather someone insult you than think your opinion is stupid and yet you tell me that I have a problem with a difference of opinion. And you did admit that, it's right there in the quote. Own your words. Don't tell me it's out of context when you straight up said that you'd rather someone insult you than think little of your opinions. It's clear that you are the one with a problem with a difference of opinion and that was even clear before you made that admission.

In what context does "I'd rather someone called me a cunt than think my opinion is stupid" NOT mean that you'd rather someone call you a cunt than think your opinion is stupid? And that's exactly the way you react when people disagree with you.

Okay, you don't have a vendetta against me maybe: just anyone who disagrees with your opinions. I'm just someone who won't stand for your bullshit and I find opinionated fuckers like you particularly irritating.

I hope you feel in good company with Drich, Huggy and ChadWooters since other than them you're the only one here who is enough of a prick to have a problem with me.

Look at you here telling me I'm butthurt when you're the one overreacting. I posted in the hall of shame not because I have a vendetta against you but because what you said was shameworthy and you're enough of a prick to say it. Like I said: You're no better than the theists who take offense when their beliefs are attacked if you honestly prefer that people call you a cunt than think your opinions are stupid.

[Amarok]

the one good thing that would come of electing trump is that 

the quality of election candidates can only go up from here we have hit rock bottom 

[Edwardo Piet]

I don't laugh at you because I can't argue against you, Napo, I laugh at you because you're so pathetic that you take offense even when I do argue against you; if you support Trump and I can't argue against your laughable opinion without you getting all butthurt while calling others butthurt then the best I can do is laugh at you.

Futhermore I'm perfectly capable of arguing against you, your debating is always full of logical fails. But you're not worth it which is why I laugh at you now. You're too immature for debate. Clearly. Anyone who would rather be insulted than have someone think little of their opinions is too immature for debate. You can't take offense when people have a difference of opinion, that's ridiculous. That kind of attitude is too childish for debate.

[The Grand Nudger]

I'm already deprived of healthcare...I can't afford what they offer where I work and I can't afford obamacare....

Patently impossible.  If you can't afford it, you'll be on the lists of the subsidized.  That's how obamacare works.  If what you mean is that you don;t -want- to pay the premiums and/or have found yourself to be living beyond your means........well, cry me a river.  I've been there, I didn't bitch and moan, or lash out at poor people because of it. I got off my ass and changed my situation.

and what about the millions of other low wage working people who are stuck paying the bills for those who don't contribute but are screwed out of having the benefits they pay for? You think it's okay to shittify their lives? You think it's okay to screw over the working people? The ones raking us over the coals are the democrats in Washington. Taking money out of the pockets of 60 hours a week low income wage earners and doling it out to those who don't contribute. How is that fair?

The low wage are the ones that obamacare has been a plus -for-.....what america do you live in, on what planet?  "Those who don't contribute" were already -on- free, state healthcare, before obamacare, in so much as those services even existed, where folks like yourself and your betters hadn't demonized them as the problem, rather than their crushing poverty.

...and how is that even remotely - American -...let alone a good idea to continually screw over the working people? Whatever happened to the idea of personal responsibility, to work and provide for your households? Your way, taking from the working people who can barely make ends meet themselves, and putting it in the pockets of those who leech off everybody else, doesn't create unity.

You and I both provide for our families, that seems to be the american ideal from where we sit, doesn't it?  Let's cut to the chase, you don't like the "moochers"....you know, your fellow trump voters ( I know, I know, you had a darker set in mind, lol).  So fuck those guys, who cares if they're american, let them get sick and die quickly, because you're accustomed to a certain standard of living.

Get rid of Obamacare. Why should working people continue to pay for something they can't afford to benefit from themselves?

If you can't afford it, it gets subsidized. We help the least of us because it is by -their- situation, and not ours, that the value of our nation can be determined.  My success is not made sweet by seeing my fellow americans suffer. The taxes I pay mean little to me and the world to them. Personally, I'm on the VA system. Unlike yourself, I'm all in with the USA and always have been.

What a crock of shit man....I'd be ashamed in the presence of a flag if i thought the kinds of things you've expressed, here.

[Napoléon]

I think I touched a nerve.
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you're the one overreacting

Lmao, says the one who's ranting non-stop and bitching about me throughout this thread. Carry on dude. I'm not getting into this childish shit.

[LadyForCamus]

With the likely hood of a HilLIARy presidency it's hard to see anything positive remaining in this country because of her basketful of brainwashed crazies who may, unfortunately, put her in the W.H.

On the other hand, with the likely hood of a Trump presidency, one big positive will be the elimination of the unaffordable health care act, (Obamacare), "...the craziest thing in the world." For just my wife and myself, to sign up for Obamacare, our monthly premiums will be as high as our house payments. Who can afford that bullshit? One big positive for Trump, shit canning obamacare.

You think Trump's healthcare plan is a positive? My oh my... where to begin?

First of all, I'll concede that the ACA is less than ideal. Why? Because of regressive Republican congressmen and lobbyists operating on behalf of insurance companies. What would be ideal? A healthcare system like the rest of the goddamn world... but eliminating premiums and replacing it with a health tax (which would cost less than premiums pre-ACA, by the way) are too "socialist" for half the backwards assholes in this country. Let's be clear: if Trump succeeds in repealing the Affordable Care Act, that means anywhere from 15 to 20 million Americans will be without health insurance. That is ridiculous. But you'll experience no guilt about that because hey, your premium didn't go up 35 percent, right? (For the record, healthcare premiums increased by nearly 80 percent under Bush.) I think we should improve the ACA, or even replace it with a single-payer system. But under no circumstances should we be replacing it with no viable alternative.

Now, let's move on to Trump's healthcare "plan." Fuck, I don't really even know what it is. Do you know what it is? Maybe you could explain to me how it would work. I hope it's a good one, since the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget estimates repealing the ACA and replacing it with [x] is going to cost us over half a trillion dollars. So whatever the alternative is better make us some quick cash. I've heard that Trump's plan will allow insurance companies to sell over state lines; I'm not sure why that would be a central point to his plan, considering that insurers can already do that in several states and... surprise, surprise, it does nothing to lower costs. As the Center for Health & Economy puts it: "However, even [selling health insurance across state lines] is allowed, various barriers such as the difficulty of building a network and attracting enough customers to create a large enough risk pool make it unappealing to insurers to pursue this option.”

From a personal standpoint, I can't wait to hear what great alternative there is for me when the ACA gets repealed! As somebody with Stage 3 Chronic Kidney Disease, I'm sure private insurance companies will be just jumping for joy at the thought of insuring me! 

If Trump repeals Obamacare without a coherent plan to replace it IMMEDIATELY, then myself, my husband, and my 2 year old son will literally have our health insurance ripped away from us.  Insurance that took me MONTHS and MONTHS to acquire, btw.  I'd like to give the middle finger to everyone who is in favor of this ridiculous idea.

[LadyForCamus]

And likewise you're a hypocrite because you'll go on about these allegations against Trump as though they're anything substantial, when the ones against B Clinton are far more worrying.

 

Alleged, and also dropped

http://theslot.jezebel.com/the-woman-who...1788603598

When a lawsuit like that is connected to a former Jerry Springer producer who has made outlandish claims against other celebrities, I just don't think it was going to go anywhere...

"Lawsuits accusing Donald Trump of sexually assaulting a child in the 1990s appear to have been orchestrated by an eccentric anti-Trump campaigner with a record of making outlandish claims about celebrities."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguar...ent=safari

See, the difference between you and me is that I don't need to resort to smearing alleged sexual assault victims to make a point, or to level a playing field.  I could go after a few of Bill's accusers as well if I wanted to stoop to that level of grime.  God knows I wouldn't be the first (hell, Trump did it years before he offered them front row seats at his debate), but I'm not going to do that, because a sexual assault accusation is a sexual assault accusation no matter what.

I don't care who the accuser is, or where she came from.  I had an up close and personal experience with a young girl...an underage girl in fact, who reported a rape and NO-ONE, including myself, believed her because of her reputation versus his.  It turned out to be true.  The guy admitted to it and went to jail.  My point is, all sexual assault allegations deserve to be considered seriously when they're reported, regardless of the person's reputation or history, and regardless of the identity of the accused.  If Bill Clinton were running for office now, surrounded by the flurry of allegations he faced back then, I wouldn't be voting because I'd be equally sickened by the both of them.  I possess no rose colored glasses when it comes to this issue, and Bill ain't on the ballot.

[LadyForCamus]

It's not hypocritical at all, because Bill is not on the ballot; Hilary is. How many times does that have to be explained to you?

It's a fair point Bill isn't on the ballot but to pretend he doesn't have any involvement in this when he's Hillary's husband, and considering the current political role the 'first lady' plays, it's a little sketchy to ignore his controversies and then jump on Trumps for less.

LESS?!

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Thanks, I needed that. [emoji57]

[Amarok]

It's a fair point Bill isn't on the ballot but to pretend he doesn't have any involvement in this when he's Hillary's husband, and considering the current political role the 'first lady' plays, it's a little sketchy to ignore his controversies and then jump on Trumps for less.

LESS?!  

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Thanks, I needed that.  [emoji57]

less in what universe ? trumps track record of open and unabashed sexism doesn't even compare

Bill Clintons controversies have been investigated to death and they still have found nothing

Trump on the other hand will have his chance to defend himself in court but considering the above i would not put money on his innocence