America Great again!

[Cecelia]

When was America ever great? The 1920's? Back when women couldn't vote, and when blacks were oppressed? America has been progressing. If we weren't great the last 8 years--then we've never BEEN great. We live in a country where a misogynistic xenophobic racist asshole was voted in. So apparently the 1920's is exactly the era you want to go back to. Not me.

[Aroura]

You think a man that by his very own words admits to multiple sexual assaults is not a man who commits sexual assaults?

What are you talking about? 

When I said "I will not stand behind someone who doesn't stand for my principles", it was in response to the OP saying we need to stand behind Trump bc he's the new president. I think homeless nutter assumed for whatever reason that I was saying that about Hillary and that's why I responded back saying I was referring to Trump. 

I have no idea why my comment has garnered so much confusion.

I knew what you meant CL.  Emotions are just running high.

[Mister Agenda]

You think a man that by his very own words admits to multiple sexual assaults is not a man who commits sexual assaults?

LMAO - in the Philosophy section, atheists say that that's just a claim, and doesn't count for evidence.

That is correct, it is the claim, not the evidence; but it presents a dilemma: is he a perpetrator of sexual assault or someone who brags about sexual assaults he's never committed? The latter is preferable, but still not desirable for the leader of the free world.

[Cyberman]

Yeah guys lets help him make America great again and kick out immigrants!

[Aroura]

This why we Grieve.


I don’t think you understand us right now.

I think you think this is about politics.

I think you believe this is all just sour grapes; the crocodile tears of the losing locker room with the scoreboard going against us at the buzzer.

I can only tell you that you’re wrong. This is not about losing an election. This isn’t about not winning a contest. This is about two very different ways of seeing the world.

Hillary supporters believe in a diverse America; one where religion or skin color or sexual orientation or place of birth aren’t liabilities or deficiencies or moral defects. Her campaign was one of inclusion and connection and interdependency. It was about building bridges and breaking ceilings. It was about going high.

Trump supporters believe in a very selective America; one that is largely white and straight and Christian, and the voting verified this. Donald Trump has never made any assertions otherwise. He ran a campaign of fear and exclusion and isolation—and that’s the vision of the world those who voted for him have endorsed.

They have aligned with the wall-builder and the professed p*ssy-grabber, and they have co-signed his body of work, regardless of the reasons they give for their vote:

Every horrible thing Donald Trump ever said about women or Muslims or people of color has now been validated.
Every profanity-laced press conference and every call to bully protestors and every ignorant diatribe has been endorsed.
Every piece of anti-LGBTQ legislation Mike Pence has championed has been signed-off on.

Half of our country has declared these things acceptable, noble, American.

This is the disconnect and the source of our grief today. It isn’t a political defeat that we’re lamenting, it’s a defeat for Humanity.

We’re not angry that our candidate lost. We’re angry because our candidate’s losing means this country will be less safe, less kind, and less available to a huge segment of its population, and that’s just the truth.

Those who have always felt vulnerable are now left more so. Those whose voices have been silenced will be further quieted. Those who always felt marginalized will be pushed further to the periphery. Those who feared they were seen as inferior now have confirmation in actual percentages.

Those things have essentially been campaign promises of Donald Trump, and so many of our fellow citizens have said this is what they want too.  

This has never been about politics.
This is not about one candidate over the other.
It’s not about one’s ideas over another’s.
It is not blue vs. red.
It’s not her emails vs. his bad language.
It’s not her dishonesty vs. his indecency.

It’s about overt racism and hostility toward minorities.
It’s about religion being weaponized.
It’s about crassness and vulgarity and disregard for women.
It’s about a barricaded, militarized, bully nation.
It’s about an unapologetic, open-faced ugliness.

And it is not only that these things have been ratified by our nation that grieve us; all this hatred, fear, racism, bigotry, and intolerance—it’s knowing that these things have been amen-ed by our neighbors, our families, our friends, those we work with and worship alongside. That is the most horrific thing of all. We now know how close this is.

It feels like living in enemy territory being here now, and there’s no way around that. We wake up today in a home we no longer recognize. We are grieving the loss of a place we used to love but no longer do. This may be America today but it is not the America we believe in or recognize or want.

This is not about a difference of political opinion, as that’s far too small to mourn over. It’s about a fundamental difference in how we view the worth of all people—not just those who look or talk or think or vote the way we do.

Grief always laments what might have been, the future we were robbed of, the tomorrow that we won’t get to see, and that is what we walk through today. As a nation we had an opportunity to affirm the beauty of our diversity this day, to choose ideas over sound bytes, to let everyone know they had a place at the table, to be the beacon of goodness and decency we imagine that we are—and we said no.

And this is why we grieve.
Original Blog

I'm literally crying on and off since last night.  I've ever experienced this before.  I'm not afraid.  I'm white, I'm straight, I'm getting older, my husband has skills that are highly desired in the workplace.  I'll probably be ok. 

I'm crying because I feel like this nation embraced it's darkest side. I'm crying because I hear about people who will now lose their healthcare that they wait so long for, and for the children and grandchildren who will grow up poorer, less educated and more defined by their race, gender and ethnicity than I once had hoped for.  I cry because we've rejected our brothers and sisters, and even the planet itself.

Not every Trump voter is bad, I'm not saying that, but by electing him, we've given a thumbs up to the very, very worst of ourselves.

[abaris]

So apparently the 1920's is exactly the era you want to go back to.  Not me.

The 20ies seem to have been a great time with all the entrepreneurial gentlemen providing for the liquid needs of the population. Most more successful businessmen than the president elect, by the way.

[Rhondazvous]

You think a man that by his very own words admits to multiple sexual assaults is not a man who commits sexual assaults?

What are you talking about? 

When I said "I will not stand behind someone who doesn't stand for my principles", it was in response to the OP saying we need to stand behind Trump bc he's the new president. I think homeless nutter assumed for whatever reason that I was saying that about Hillary and that's why I responded back saying I was referring to Trump. 

I have no idea why my comment has garnered so much confusion.

Kudos to you! It can g





et confusing when we try to respond to something and other people put their post up between our post and the post we are responding to.

[Amarok]

LMAO - in the Philosophy section, atheists say that that's just a claim, and doesn't count for evidence.

That is correct, it is the claim, not the evidence; but it presents a dilemma: is he a perpetrator of sexual assault or someone who brags about sexual assaults he's never committed? The latter is preferable, but still not desirable for the leader of the free world.

in sense it's not evidence just a claim but we due to it's serious nature it deserves further investigation but even the fact Donald Trump would brag about something like that or even imaging doing something like that is repulsive  in the extreme

[Rhondazvous]

Yeah guys lets help him make America great again and kick out immigrants!

And hey, what happened to the Wall? That was another great idea. Man comes up with a million dollar idea every day.

[The Grand Nudger]

I can only tell you that you’re wrong. This is not about losing an election. This isn’t about not winning a contest. This is about two very different ways of seeing the world.

Hillary supporters believe in a diverse America; one where religion or skin color or sexual orientation or place of birth aren’t liabilities or deficiencies or moral defects. Her campaign was one of inclusion and connection and interdependency. It was about building bridges and breaking ceilings. It was about going high.

As it turns out, that wasn't, at all, what her campaign nor the dems were about.  The votes should make that plainly apparent.  A voting bloc powerful enough to not only reject the truth of that statement and even make it's believers doubt it....handed someone else the presidency...because they do not feel, and demonstrably have not -been- included, and yeah, they also happen to be a bunch of bad things - but apparently so is a significant portion of the people you might not have expected to go trump (the blue wall of the north, college educated voters)...and it's not as if being [insert darkest trait here] made them wrong about having been excluded, even if they've been wrong about -why- they were excluded.

Rural america is a wasteland.