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RE: Teenage surgery without parent's consent
November 22, 2016 at 12:04 pm
(November 22, 2016 at 11:59 am)vorlon13 Wrote: It has been noted on Botched that even females wanting breast implants at 14, or 15 or 16 is not done, or at least it's not done by surgeons with ethics.
Why would it then be ethical to give a male, age 16 breast implants ?
(I think I might know, but want to see if it's 'obvious' or not)
Valid point.
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RE: Teenage surgery without parent's consent
November 22, 2016 at 12:06 pm
(November 22, 2016 at 12:00 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: OK, now that I've read the article it appears that the person qualifies as an adult in that state and that they have the support of the medical community. If they meet the WPATH criteria they should be allowed to proceed.
Also, valid point.
Perhaps it should depend on the state and on what the legal age of consent is there.
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RE: Teenage surgery without parent's consent
November 22, 2016 at 12:06 pm
(November 22, 2016 at 11:19 am)Mathilda Wrote: Maybe some facts might not go amiss here. For example, by minor you mean someone who is a few months off 18. The daughter is 17 years old, living her own life and is financially independent. The mother is just being a vindictive cunt in trying to ruin the daughter's life even though she has no contact with her at all. Nor does the mother even want to make any contact with her daughter.
http://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/m...nt-n685266
Quote:states that "mother has made it known to him that she no longer wishes to have any contact with him," "knows where he is and has made no attempts to bring him home," and "has taken no actions to report him as a runaway or taken legal action to keep him in her home."
Quote:Minnesota does not have a legal process for the emancipation of minors. But the law makes it clear that minors who aren't living at home are essentially considered adults when it comes to medical care: "Any minor who is living separate and apart from parents ... and who is managing personal financial affairs, regardless of the source or extent of the minor's income, may give effective consent to personal medical, dental, mental and other health services, and the consent of no other person is required."
At what point do you stop being a minor? Surely if you are financially independent and functioning as an adult, you are not a minor.
You have the right to be an engaged and responsible parent. Should you wave that right you have no claim to go on being a vindictive cunt. Judgement against the mother/parents in this case at least.
This case shows that every case may need to be considered separately.
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RE: Teenage surgery without parent's consent
November 22, 2016 at 12:09 pm
(November 22, 2016 at 11:28 am)mh.brewer Wrote: If they want and can qualify/complete the emancipation process (which includes financial self support) then take that route. Then the minor can have any surgery they can afford. Until that time or the age of majority my position would be no.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emancipation_of_minors
Or in this case it would be reasonable for the court to grant emancipation based on the circumstances?
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RE: Teenage surgery without parent's consent
November 22, 2016 at 12:18 pm
(November 22, 2016 at 12:06 pm)Whateverist Wrote: (November 22, 2016 at 11:19 am)Mathilda Wrote: Maybe some facts might not go amiss here. For example, by minor you mean someone who is a few months off 18. The daughter is 17 years old, living her own life and is financially independent. The mother is just being a vindictive cunt in trying to ruin the daughter's life even though she has no contact with her at all. Nor does the mother even want to make any contact with her daughter.
http://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/m...nt-n685266
At what point do you stop being a minor? Surely if you are financially independent and functioning as an adult, you are not a minor.
You have the right to be an engaged and responsible parent. Should you wave that right you have no claim to go on being a vindictive cunt. Judgement against the mother/parents in this case at least.
This case shows that every case may need to be considered separately. Considered separately by whom ? That's not an easy can of worms to unopen . Not that I object to it, in principle. I believe we should find better and improve on existing similar mechanisms of determining and resolving legal matters in more areas than this.
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RE: Teenage surgery without parent's consent
November 22, 2016 at 12:32 pm
(November 22, 2016 at 12:09 pm)Whateverist Wrote: (November 22, 2016 at 11:28 am)mh.brewer Wrote: If they want and can qualify/complete the emancipation process (which includes financial self support) then take that route. Then the minor can have any surgery they can afford. Until that time or the age of majority my position would be no.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emancipation_of_minors
Or in this case it would be reasonable for the court to grant emancipation based on the circumstances?
According to what I've read MN does not have an "emancipation" law. The state can't grant something that the state does not recognize. It does appear that this individual meets all of the states criteria to be considered an adult or at least is qualifies for medical consent. Notice that it states "the consent of no other person is required".
https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/?id=144.341
http://www.house.leg.state.mn.us/hrd/pubs/youthlaw.pdf (medical starts around page 66)
The state/court only has to rule that they qualify to give consent.
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RE: Teenage surgery without parent's consent
November 22, 2016 at 12:41 pm
I'd say 16 is about right. Younger than that and they might be making a decision they will regret. They've got to be old enough to be mature enough to be truly serious about it. A young child that may change their mind certainly shouldn't be making decisions that are irreversible for them later in life.
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RE: Teenage surgery without parent's consent
November 22, 2016 at 12:55 pm
I fully support trans people and their choices to transition, as long as they're very sure that they're being true to themselves. In my opinion, if you were born one gender but truly feel like you like you identify with the opposite gender more, you need to do whatever is necessary to feel comfortable with yourself and how you interact with the world.
With that being said there are many people who regret their decision to transition and end up living in misery, hurting themselves and in some extreme cases taking their own lives. I completely support sexual freedom and freedom to do what you please with who you please, so long as everyone involved is a consenting adult. But having surgery to change your physical makeup is a serious, irreversible decision and as much as I think that trans people should have the right to transition, I do not believe that right stands for children.
If you live in a home where your parents do not support you, my advice would be to get out as soon as you can, especially if you're being neglected or abused because of who you are.
If my child told me they were gay or transgender I would not be bothered by it at all. It would be about as important to me as their favorite flavor of ice cream in the sense that I could care less who they love as long as whoever they date or marry treats them well.
But transition surgery is very serious and is something that should be thought about for quite some time before any kind of decision is made.
Long story short, no, a child should not be able to get that kind of surgery without a parent's consent.
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RE: Teenage surgery without parent's consent
November 22, 2016 at 1:28 pm
I'm inclined to want to apply the WBIIOY test.
That stands for What Business Is It Of Yours.
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RE: Teenage surgery without parent's consent
November 22, 2016 at 1:53 pm
(November 22, 2016 at 10:48 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Should minors be allowed to get sex reassignment surgery without their parent's consent?
Apparently this is happening in Minnesota with a teen who wants to transition into a woman and the mom is saying no. Was curious to know yall's opinions on the legal side of things.
If someone identifies as a gender that doesn't match their private parts, should refusing them and forcing them to conform count as child abuse? That's probably the biggest question to answer.
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