RE: Atheists, tell me, a Roman Catholic: why should I become an atheist?
November 27, 2016 at 1:41 pm
Why should the OP, A Roman Catholic, become an atheist?
Because God isn't real.
Because God isn't real.
Atheists, tell me, a Roman Catholic: why should I become an atheist?
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RE: Atheists, tell me, a Roman Catholic: why should I become an atheist?
November 27, 2016 at 1:41 pm
Why should the OP, A Roman Catholic, become an atheist?
Because God isn't real. RE: Atheists, tell me, a Roman Catholic: why should I become an atheist?
November 27, 2016 at 6:51 pm
RE: Atheists, tell me, a Roman Catholic: why should I become an atheist?
November 27, 2016 at 6:55 pm
The bread and wine served at atheist functions are far superior.
RE: Atheists, tell me, a Roman Catholic: why should I become an atheist?
November 27, 2016 at 7:35 pm
We need some theists up in here to argue for him, so we can refute. The question is too broad, its like hitting a flea with a dart in a hurricane.
If I were to create self aware beings knowing fully what they would do in their lifetimes, I sure wouldn't create a HELL for the majority of them to live in infinitely! That's not Love, that's sadistic. Therefore a truly loving god does not exist!
Quote:The sin is against an infinite being (God) unforgiven infinitely, therefore the punishment is infinite. Dead wrong. The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment. Quote:Some people deserve hell. I say again: No exceptions. Punishment should be equal to the crime, not in excess of it. As soon as the punishment is greater than the crime, the punisher is in the wrong. RE: Atheists, tell me, a Roman Catholic: why should I become an atheist?
November 27, 2016 at 8:47 pm
I'll give it my best shot:
Midnight Mass on Christmas Eve is still pretty cool, particularly the pigs in blankets that await after as part of the tradition. As an atheist I also have no qualms about tailgaiting Midnight Mass. Sorry, I tried my best but feel I'm still giving reasons to be an atheist. RE: Atheists, tell me, a Roman Catholic: why should I become an atheist?
November 27, 2016 at 9:29 pm
(This post was last modified: November 27, 2016 at 10:03 pm by Balaco.)
(November 27, 2016 at 1:22 am)Luckie Wrote:(November 27, 2016 at 12:55 am)Balaco Wrote: I was told I can't link this thread there. The mod basically said they're against asking members to post comments on other sites. (November 27, 2016 at 1:37 am)Minimalist Wrote: Balaco. Do two things for me and yourself. I can't deny that it puts a lot of things into perspective...how the religious mold their lives according to what they believe God commands, trusting in faith a lot of the time rather than human logic. Aside from being raised/conditioned into the faith, I guess another reason why it's hard for me to drop it is due to the fact there's billions of other followers of a developed religion. I should probably look into some more theist accounts on why they believe in God, and continue to look into the main arguments (logical/teleological/cosmological/moral) and likely bring them up here. On a somewhat related note, I brought up the point of one of my earlier posts... Quote:I'm gathering atheists generally view "supernatural" events or miracles as events that, aside from potentially being lies/distortions of reality thanks to our minds, may simply be out of the windows/models of logic that the religious create. ...to the Catholic Forum and got this response. Quote:Ok. Here is the "brass tax": do you trust people based on how they witness to what they say, or do you not? This guy seems to feel like God's existence is undeniable due to the fact that cause and effect is a concept. Doesn't really seem definitive enough for me. RE: Atheists, tell me, a Roman Catholic: why should I become an atheist?
November 27, 2016 at 10:08 pm
(This post was last modified: November 27, 2016 at 10:16 pm by Mystical.)
Belaco Wrote:The mod basically said they're against asking members to post comments on other sites.Well, that's understandable, I mean, questioning your faith is discouraged is it not? Don't make waves, just do your good Christian duty and not question anything and make everything that happens be some big god conspiracy of blessing and silver-lined suffering. When one "sheep" strays, best let it go on its way otherwise you'd lose the entire flock, eh? 12. What do you think? If a man has a hundred sheep and one of them has gone astray, does he not leave the ninety-nine on the mountains and search for the one that went astray? 13. And if he finds it, truly I say to you, he rejoices over it more than over the ninety-nine that did not go astray. 14. Likewise, it is not the will of your Father Who is in heaven that one of these little ones should perish (Matthew 18:12 - 14, HBFV) How biblical of them to leave us lost sheep alone in the wilderness. Sorry, I'm not going to prescribe myself any longer to thinking that my own earthly suffering is the will of another being that not only destined me to such a fate but could also easily fix it yet chooses not to. Heaven or not, hell or not. That's just not healthy thinking or the actions of a loving being.
If I were to create self aware beings knowing fully what they would do in their lifetimes, I sure wouldn't create a HELL for the majority of them to live in infinitely! That's not Love, that's sadistic. Therefore a truly loving god does not exist!
Quote:The sin is against an infinite being (God) unforgiven infinitely, therefore the punishment is infinite. Dead wrong. The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment. Quote:Some people deserve hell. I say again: No exceptions. Punishment should be equal to the crime, not in excess of it. As soon as the punishment is greater than the crime, the punisher is in the wrong. RE: Atheists, tell me, a Roman Catholic: why should I become an atheist?
November 27, 2016 at 10:08 pm
(November 27, 2016 at 12:09 pm)johan Wrote:(November 23, 2016 at 7:14 pm)Balaco Wrote: I was taught that God doesn't give us undeniable proof of his existence as a test of faith...those with righteous minds would find him. Joker and any other Catholics, what are your thoughts on this? From what I understand, the tests of our faith are moreso for our benefit so that we can determine our strengths/weaknesses, and grow closer to God by asking for his support. RE: Atheists, tell me, a Roman Catholic: why should I become an atheist?
November 27, 2016 at 10:11 pm
(Sorry if this comes up as a double post)
In response to the posts about tests of our faith, from my understanding their moreso for our benefit so that we can determine our strengths/weaknesses, growing closer to God as we ask for His help. RE: Atheists, tell me, a Roman Catholic: why should I become an atheist?
November 27, 2016 at 10:30 pm
Balaco,
Your last post is just preaching. There is no evidence. The arguments you listed above (logical/teleological/cosmological/moral) aren't evidence, they're rationalizations to give credence to an unjustified belief. If there was evidence, you would be brow beating us into submission with it. The fact that you can't is telling. Believe what you will, but don't pretend that it's justified. Religious beliefs can't be discovered without indoctrination; this should at least give you pause. |
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