My (probably unpopular) opinion on arab refugees

[henryp]

For sure.  The thing you and I differ on, is the obligation to be a nice person.  I think it's a make believe guideline.  Maybe it's my lack of empathy that makes me an outlier, but then again, I don't feel like an outlier when I look at how people behave.

If the shoe fits, who am I to argue? I for one strive to be a decent person. That's one thing in my life I can't change. Don't want to change for that matter. But point stands. It's one of the select few black and white issues.

Right, it's black and white to you, which makes a ton of sense.  But you're not the Lorax.  You do not speak on behalf of anyone.  Surely, you recognize that throughout the entirety of civilization, and the billions of people, their existed perspectives where it was not black and white, right?  That your singular perspective in Abaris City from the years ????-2016 are not representative of the totality of human history seems intuitive, no?

[Catholic_Lady]

2) When the tangent started, the tangent wasn't about what we should do.  The tangent was about how I described what people do.  I said the reason arguments about refugees never go anywhere, is because people disagree on human life being valuable.  If you don't believe human life is valuable, then you can just kill the people in Aleppo, and that's fine.  

Human life has inherent value. It is valuable regardless of anyone's opinion on it. And taking away innocent human life is an objectively immoral thing to do. It isn't "just fine" so long as the person who does the killing doesn't care.

[henryp]

1) Empathy has two applications.  There's understanding how and why someone feels a certain way by looking at things from their perspective.  That I enjoy doing, and partake in it as sincerely and fully as possible.  And then there's caring about those people/feelings, which I don't really do. 

Honest curiosity at this point. Do you ever feel sorry for anyone? Like when you see those commercials on TV about sending money to poor children in Africa or something. And they show all these little children living in poverty. Does it hurt your heart in any way to see that?

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Oh and for the record, I don't have depression.

Yes, I can feel sorry for a very few people.  But kid's in Africa are not among those people.  I don't bare them any ill will, I'm just indifferent.  I can't care about them anymore than you could not care about them, I imagine.

[Catholic_Lady]

Honest curiosity at this point. Do you ever feel sorry for anyone? Like when you see those commercials on TV about sending money to poor children in Africa or something. And they show all these little children living in poverty. Does it hurt your heart in any way to see that?

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Oh and for the record, I don't have depression.

Yes, I can feel sorry for a very few people.  But kid's in Africa are not among those people.  I don't bare them any ill will, I'm just indifferent.  I can't care about them anymore than you could not care about them, I imagine.

Who do you feel sorry for.

[henryp]

2) When the tangent started, the tangent wasn't about what we should do.  The tangent was about how I described what people do.  I said the reason arguments about refugees never go anywhere, is because people disagree on human life being valuable.  If you don't believe human life is valuable, then you can just kill the people in Aleppo, and that's fine.  

Human life has inherent value. It is valuable regardless of anyone's opinion on it. And taking away innocent human life is an objectively immoral thing to do. It isn't "just fine" so long as the person who does the killing doesn't care.

That's why I post on an Atheist forum, and not a Catholic forum.  You can 100% apply your moral objections to others, because you've got God putting his stamp on it, which gives it authority over everyone, whether they believe it or not.  


The complication is that I disagree on God existing.  

But it can still be hard to be consistent.  Like abortion.  You think life begins at conception, I assume, and people are murdering babies in the womb?  Other people think it's just a 'fetus' and isn't human yet.  So can they have an abortion or not?  

It's a very similar situation.  Do you find abortion to be objectively immoral, and think they should be outlawed regardless of what others believe?  Or do you accept the differing opinions, and it's okay for them to get an abortion?

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Yes, I can feel sorry for a very few people.  But kid's in Africa are not among those people.  I don't bare them any ill will, I'm just indifferent.  I can't care about them anymore than you could not care about them, I imagine.

Who do you feel sorry for.

Wife and daughter.  Not much beyond that.

[Catholic_Lady]

Have you considered that you might be a sociopath?

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I'm not saying this to be offensive btw.

[Jesster]

Have you considered that you might be a sociopath?

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I'm not saying this to be offensive btw.

He already claimed to be a sociopath

[Catholic_Lady]

Human life has inherent value. It is valuable regardless of anyone's opinion on it. And taking away innocent human life is an objectively immoral thing to do. It isn't "just fine" so long as the person who does the killing doesn't care.

That's why I post on an Atheist forum, and not a Catholic forum.  You can 100% apply your moral objections to others, because you've got God putting his stamp on it, which gives it authority over everyone, whether they believe it or not.  


The complication is that I disagree on God existing.  

But it can still be hard to be consistent.  Like abortion.  You think life begins at conception, I assume, and people are murdering babies in the womb?  Other people think it's just a 'fetus' and isn't human yet.  So can they have an abortion or not?  

It's a very similar situation.  Do you find abortion to be objectively immoral, and think they should be outlawed regardless of what others believe?  Or do you accept the differing opinions, and it's okay for them to get an abortion?

Fetus is just a stage of development, not a species. Being a fetus, like being an infant, teenager, adult, etc, doesn't mean not being human.

Sure, ppl can think a human fetus is not human and therefore has no right to life. But some ppl used to also think blacks were not really human and it was therefore "ok" to enslave them or kill them. Truth of the matter is humans are humans whether you believe they are or not, and some things are wrong whether you believe they are or not. Such as Killing and enslaving innocent ppl.

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Have you considered that you might be a sociopath?

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I'm not saying this to be offensive btw.

He already claimed to be a sociopath

Like, literally?

[Jesster]

He already claimed to be a sociopath

Like, literally?

Yes, a few times

I'm not trying to 'cloak my inhumanity'.  I'm a sociopath.  Much of what you consider to be someone's 'humanity' I just don't have.  I think it's a considered a mental illness though, so if you call me names, you're a bigot.

[Catholic_Lady]

Like, literally?

Yes, a few times

I'm not trying to 'cloak my inhumanity'.  I'm a sociopath.  Much of what you consider to be someone's 'humanity' I just don't have.  I think it's a considered a mental illness though, so if you call me names, you're a bigot.

I must admit I skimmed through a lot of what he and maleco said bc it was upsetting me.