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RE: Have we asked theists what they'd do if their kids turned out like us?
December 5, 2016 at 8:08 pm
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(December 5, 2016 at 7:17 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: I say it depends on the kid.
Me: Ready for church?
Teen: Why do I have to go it's all bullshit anyway?
Me: You're going anyway but don't take communion if you don't want. We'll talk about your disrespect when we get home.
Me: What's that book?
Teen: Camus's The Stranger.
Me: So what do you think?
Teen: I kinda agree. I might be an atheist.
Me: That's okay it took me 50 years to become a Catholic. Keep reading.
Yay!! Welcome home Chad.
(December 5, 2016 at 7:51 pm)Whateverist Wrote: She is totally cracking me up lately. I like when she fakes (?) this dark side.
Haha. Just livin up to the extreme stereotype, brotha!
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RE: Have we asked theists what they'd do if their kids turned out like us?
December 6, 2016 at 1:13 pm
(December 5, 2016 at 5:26 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I would force them to repent and then burn them to death to ensure them a place in Heaven before they changed their minds again.
PS - I voted for the first 4.
...only if you have a priest on speed sail, though. Not sure if its a good idea to drive while under mortal sin.
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RE: Have we asked theists what they'd do if their kids turned out like us?
December 6, 2016 at 5:03 pm
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RE: Have we asked theists what they'd do if their kids turned out like us?
December 6, 2016 at 5:22 pm
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Lol, you don't have to pretend with us, Drich. We know that by "train" you mean "beat the shit out of."
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RE: Have we asked theists what they'd do if their kids turned out like us?
December 6, 2016 at 6:31 pm
(December 5, 2016 at 5:26 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I would force them to repent and then burn them to death to ensure them a place in Heaven before they changed their minds again.
Hey, if they're young enough you don't even have to make them repent-- just fire up the grill! You could save their souls and feed some hungry atheists at the same time.
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RE: Have we asked theists what they'd do if their kids turned out like us?
December 6, 2016 at 7:19 pm
(December 6, 2016 at 5:03 pm)Drich Wrote: I truth I would simply train my child the way they should go... If they decide to part from that way then, that is on them.
Surprised but not disappointed to learn you'd grant them free will.
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RE: Have we asked theists what they'd do if their kids turned out like us?
December 6, 2016 at 8:59 pm
I don't have to imagine it. This happened to me. 6 times.
First was my oldest son. It was around Christmas time, and I was putting up the Christmas tree, and he told me that he doesn't believe in god, and that people who do are 'stupid'. He said he didn't want to celebrate Christmas anymore because he's not a Christian. I tell him "Okay. One less person to buy presents for." That, he doesn't like. He still wanted presents. He was very much okay with the whole 'receiving' of gifts part. It was everything else about Christmas that he hated--including the family dinner. So I tell him that if he's not coming to Christmas dinner, I'm not buying him a Christmas present. He then says I'm forcing him to do something he doesn't want to do. I tell him I'm not forcing him to do anything, but if he wants a present he can do all the other stuff too (I mean fuck, we never even went to church for Mass or anything like that. In fact I've never taken my kids to church. The most religious thing I think I've ever done at Christmas was put up a manger scene). We get into a big argument, leading to me eventually telling him to fuck off after he says that his father (who was almost never in the picture) was a better parent than I am. We then went several years without speaking to each other, and still are on poor terms.
Next was my youngest daughter. She approached it much better than my oldest son. She just asks me one day if I've ever read the bible, and tells me all the horrible terrible things it says in it. (For the record, my Christian Belief was always that the ten commandments and do unto others were the only two things that mattered) She explained why she didn't believe, and we had an honestly good talk. Over the years, she's probably gotten me to think more about my beliefs than anyone.
After her, was my middle son. He said that he didn't believe anymore either. That was about it for that. We didn't really discuss it. I just accepted it and moved on.
Then was my youngest son who asked me how I could believe in a God that condemns people to hell. I told him that i didn't, because I don't believe in hell. He asked me how I could do that, and I told him that it just seemed incompatible with the idea of God to me. It was a more meaningful conversation than with either of my other sons, but not as meaningful as with my youngest daughter.
My sister (I raised her) and oldest daughter were next, and they just one day said they didn't believe in God either, and it was left at that.
Through my children, I think my beliefs have changed significantly. They've taught me a lot. I'm not really an atheist yet--I guess Agnostic Deist is the closest to what I am, but I'm not even sure I'd call a creator 'God' anymore. I don't think anyone could have changed my mind the way my kids did. (Except the oldest, he's a douchebag) I'm glad I listened to them, instead of dismissing them or thinking they were going to hell.
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RE: Have we asked theists what they'd do if their kids turned out like us?
December 6, 2016 at 11:37 pm
Kids are so great, aren't they? And you had at least a basketball team's worth. My own family of origin could field an entire baseball team provided both my parents played. Oh and their eldest son, my only older brother was also a flaming asshole. Still is except now instead of raining on my Christian relative's parade as an atheist he is doing it by shoving the book of mormon at them. Once he got good and depressed he became a mormon. Therapy would've been cheaper given what they tithe.
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RE: Have we asked theists what they'd do if their kids turned out like us?
December 7, 2016 at 1:35 pm
Excluding Catholic_Lady from my answer, the rest of them would probably do the same as they did in this meme:
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RE: Have we asked theists what they'd do if their kids turned out like us?
December 15, 2016 at 6:34 am
(December 6, 2016 at 7:19 pm)Whateverist Wrote: (December 6, 2016 at 5:03 pm)Drich Wrote: I truth I would simply train my child the way they should go... If they decide to part from that way then, that is on them.
Surprised but not disappointed to learn you'd grant them free will.
I'd be surprised if the bit you quoted of him weren't a lie. And I'm guessing his way of "letting them on their way" is a complete and total shunning of them.
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