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Liberal, Conservative, or Libertarian?
#51
RE: Liberal, Conservative, or Libertarian?
(December 11, 2016 at 6:57 pm)Aegon Wrote:
(December 11, 2016 at 6:41 pm)Athena777 Wrote: It's a nice sentiment to not believe in labels. But we evolved to label each other. You had to quickly determine if someone was a friend or foe, otherwise you'd be killed.

That's pretty different. Labels like the ones discussed in this topic serve only to oversimplify our beliefs and divide us as a population. What you're talking about is assessment of threat. "That guy is going to hurt me, he is a foe" is different from "that guy is a libertarian, he is an idiot."

It is different. But I think what he is saying is simply that we evolved on making labels so it's just hard wired in us to have an instinctive compulsion to do so. Pretty interesting.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly." 

-walsh
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#52
RE: Liberal, Conservative, or Libertarian?
(December 11, 2016 at 6:41 pm)Athena777 Wrote: It's a nice sentiment to not believe in labels. But we evolved to label each other. You had to quickly determine if someone was a friend or foe, otherwise you'd be killed.

Sure, but those labels are inaccurate in detail. Especially when it comes to something as nuanced and complex as political views and personal beliefs. I don't think they are necessary. They offer a simplistic, black and white us v. them way of thinking. It makes sense in the context you described, but not in modern day politics.
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#53
RE: Liberal, Conservative, or Libertarian?
(December 11, 2016 at 6:41 pm)Athena777 Wrote: It's a nice sentiment to not believe in labels.  But we evolved to label each other.  You had to quickly determine if someone was a friend or foe, otherwise you'd be killed.

Do I get to label you a pantywaist? And then you get to tell me why you are?

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#54
RE: Liberal, Conservative, or Libertarian?
(December 11, 2016 at 3:26 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: When I say pro life,

You place greater rights on a group of cells growing in the womb, yes. Ok let's put medicine aside for the moment. What if the woman is a poor married mother with three kids and who is working multiple jobs along with her husband just to keep her children to a barely adequate standard of living? This scenario is quite common in the US. What if, in order to ensure that her kids have a healthy diet, she forgoes contraception? And because she's in a loving committed relationship, she has sex with her husband and gets pregnant. And it turns out even though she works all hours given her, and her husband too an extra kid will put the family under in terms of finances?

What then? Do her other kids go hungry, go malnourished, develop brittle bones, forgo the needed vitamins and minerals to grow up healthy, simply because you in your blind adherence to catholic dogma have decided that it's better for the woman to have more children than she can bring up?

No Catholic Lady you are not in favour of life, you are simply against women having the autonomy and the agency to chose for themselves.
You see, one thing is: I can live with doubt and uncertainty and not knowing.
I think it's much more interesting to live not knoing than to have answers which might be wrong.
Richard Feynman

Well the sorrow the suffering the glory the pain
The killing the dying was all done in vain
For young Willy Mc Bride it all happened again
And again,and again,and again,and again

Eric Bogle Green Fields of France
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#55
RE: Liberal, Conservative, or Libertarian?
(December 12, 2016 at 3:16 pm)Tazzycorn Wrote:
(December 11, 2016 at 3:26 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: When I say pro life,

You place greater rights on a group of cells growing in the womb, yes. Ok let's put medicine aside for the moment. What if the woman is a poor married mother with three kids and who is working multiple jobs along with her husband just to keep her children to a barely adequate standard of living? This scenario is quite common in the US. What if, in order to ensure that her kids have a healthy diet, she forgoes contraception? And because she's in a loving committed relationship, she has sex with her husband and gets pregnant. And it turns out even though she works all hours given her, and her husband too an extra kid will put the family under in terms of finances?

What then? Do her other kids go hungry, go malnourished, develop brittle bones, forgo the needed vitamins and minerals to grow up healthy, simply because you in your blind adherence to catholic dogma have decided that it's better for the woman to have more children than she can bring up?

No Catholic Lady you are not in favour of life, you are simply against women having the autonomy and the agency to chose for themselves.

I agree a life without total control of ones body and it's workings is one not worth living really and a life of total poverty is also no real life sometimes life alone isn't enough

as for other methods that save the fetus that's step one but doesn't answer the type of life that has been saved
Seek strength, not to be greater than my brother, but to fight my greatest enemy -- myself.

Inuit Proverb

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#56
RE: Liberal, Conservative, or Libertarian?
That's why I advocate for care of the poor and single moms as part of it. I stated such in my first post, and also specifically in the post you quoted and responded to, but cut that part out from.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly." 

-walsh
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