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Trump and Conservatism As A Threat: What Should Be Done?
#31
RE: Trump and Conservatism As A Threat: What Should Be Done?
It's the end of the world. Time to find or build a bunker and fill it with goodies. Y2K all over again! Yikes!!
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#32
RE: Trump and Conservatism As A Threat: What Should Be Done?
(15th December 2016, 14:53)Loading Please Wait Wrote:
(15th December 2016, 08:57)Bella Morte Wrote: Would you still moan if the election didn't go the way you wanted it to?

Why should they leave?

No I wouldn't moan and cry, I'd accept that Hilary won, and just vote in 4 years to get rid of her and move on with my life!

I'm giving my opinion that if you hate the way this country has turned out, or hate who is in charge, then leave! No point in wasting American resources on these pricks. Of course This is America we're taking about, so you have every right to be a little bitch. Just be expected to be treated like one.

You're correct, this is America and people have a right to their opinions and their criticism of government. That said, you can take your "love it or leave it" bumper sticker patriotism and shove it up your ass, you little bitch.
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#33
RE: Trump and Conservatism As A Threat: What Should Be Done?
After the 8 years of apocalyptic whinging and conspiracy theorizing we've just been through because black president, I'll take my turn now that we have an orange clown who isn't even in office before putting his billionaire buddies in positions to make money in Russia.
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#34
RE: Trump and Conservatism As A Threat: What Should Be Done?
(15th December 2016, 17:41)SteelCurtain Wrote: I'll take my turn now that we have an orange clown who isn't even in office before putting his billionaire buddies in positions to make money in Russia.

You know, if that's all there is to it, I breathe a sigh of relieve. If making money is all there is to this, it's at least a calculable risk. On the same lines as dealing with the mob. You know beforehand the only interest is lining their pockets.
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#35
RE: Trump and Conservatism As A Threat: What Should Be Done?
(15th December 2016, 17:57)abaris Wrote:
(15th December 2016, 17:41)SteelCurtain Wrote: I'll take my turn now that we have an orange clown who isn't even in office before putting his billionaire buddies in positions to make money in Russia.

You know, if that's all there is to it, I breathe a sigh of relieve. If making money is all there is to this, it's at least a calculable risk. On the same lines as dealing with the mob. You know beforehand the only interest is lining their pockets.

...even while lining their own pockets, these dolts are quite capable of sending the rest of the world into another crippling recession.
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#36
RE: Trump and Conservatism As A Threat: What Should Be Done?
(15th December 2016, 18:10)Aoi Magi Wrote:
(15th December 2016, 17:57)abaris Wrote: You know, if that's all there is to it, I breathe a sigh of relieve. If making money is all there is to this, it's at least a calculable risk. On the same lines as dealing with the mob. You know beforehand the only interest is lining their pockets.

...even while lining their own pockets, these dolts are quite capable of sending the rest of the world into another crippling recession.
And happy to do it, as well. Remember Trump said about how excited he was about the 2008 recession. He made a killing.
"There remain four irreducible objections to religious faith: that it wholly misrepresents the origins of man and the cosmos, that because of this original error it manages to combine the maximum servility with the maximum of solipsism, that it is both the result and the cause of dangerous sexual repression, and that it is ultimately grounded on wish-thinking." ~Christopher Hitchens, god is not Great

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#37
RE: Trump and Conservatism As A Threat: What Should Be Done?
(15th December 2016, 12:26)SteelCurtain Wrote: This is such crap. They didn't give you an exciting presidential candidate. They pushed a centrist policy wonk with ties to Wall St. but who by every measure is leagues better than the dumpster fire we have now.

People need to be inspired by their candidate to stop an international train wreck? To show up and vote for Democratic down ballot candidates to shore up liberal policies in their state/national governments?

No. Most liberals are straight, educated white people who are supporters of a lot of liberal issues, but will have no real change in their life if things go bad for minorities and LGBT people. It's not that they don't care, it's that it really won't affect them, and there's not a lot of urgency. Which is why they have the luxury of waxing poetic about Hillary's flaws and the DNC while Donald Trump is appointing Steve Bannon.

Ah, yes, if I only had more concern for the rights of minorities and the LGBT community, I would have voted Hillary. This is why it's pointless explaining to Clinton voters why you didn't vote for her. They've made up their mind about why.

And saying she simply has "ties to Wall St." is disingenuous. After the Great Recession, when it was discovered that Goldman-Sachs helped tank the economy, Hillary became their champion. When most Americans were struggling to put their next meal on the table, she saw it as an opportunity to get in bed with the people that purposefully ruined the economy to make money.

BTW, I did vote down ballot for Democrats.
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#38
RE: Trump and Conservatism As A Threat: What Should Be Done?
I said exactly none of that. I wasn't pointing at you specifically. I am making the claim that many many many people who voted in 2008 and 2012 just didn't. The fact that the candidate didn't excite them is more of an indictment of liberal voters than the DNC, IMO.

I understand why people didn't vote for Hillary. I am looking at the outcome and asking if it was worth it.
"There remain four irreducible objections to religious faith: that it wholly misrepresents the origins of man and the cosmos, that because of this original error it manages to combine the maximum servility with the maximum of solipsism, that it is both the result and the cause of dangerous sexual repression, and that it is ultimately grounded on wish-thinking." ~Christopher Hitchens, god is not Great

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RE: Trump and Conservatism As A Threat: What Should Be Done?
(15th December 2016, 14:53)Loading Please Wait Wrote: I'm giving my opinion that if you hate the way this country has turned out, or hate who is in charge, then leave! No point in wasting American resources on these pricks. Of course This is America we're taking about, so you have every right to be a little bitch. Just be expected to be treated like one.

I love it when conservatives say this. If only they put their money where their mouth was, none of them would still be here after the whine-fest of the last eight years.

"Wah! Obama is a secret Muslim, commie socialist that is ruining our country and making us look weak! Wah!"

<Fast Foward to 2016>

"If you don't like Trump, you can just leave! America doesn't need you whiners!"
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
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#40
RE: Trump and Conservatism As A Threat: What Should Be Done?
To be clear, my comments in this and other threads about the equally bad narrative were not aimed at any specific person either, more of a general rhetorical question.
If I have anyone in mind when I say it, it's my RL Bernie or bust friends, though I saw that idea on AF more than once, I could't tell you a single name it was attached to, just that I had seen it here.
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