Putin Gets His Payback For His Efforts

[CapnAwesome]

Of all the things to come out of Trump being elected, improved relations with Russia are by far the best, perhaps the only positive thing to come out of his being elected. The aggressive language and admitted personal vendetta that Hillary Clinton had towards Russia and Putin was scary. It is a GOOD thing that we get along with the second largest nuclear power. Considering that Hillary made nuclear war a subject in the campaign, any improved relations should be seen as a good {thing. Of course Democrats would be saying the same thing if it were Bernie Sanders improving the relations with Russia, as he would probably have done as well.

Just how good of a relationship should we have with a dictator that controls the press and murders dissenters?  How good of a relationship should we have with a country this actively aiding another dictator that murdered tens of thousand civilians and used chemical weapons?  How good of a relationship should we have with a country that very likely hacked our government's systems and waged a campaign of spreading fake news to manipulate our election?

Many countries have sanctions on them for a reason, and it's hard for me to call our president-elect getting buddy buddy with Russia for financial gain as a positive.

We should have a good relationship with him, if for nothing else then for the sake of the safety of the world.  Although I can think of dozens of reasons why it's better to have a good relationship with Russia then a bad one, including the welfare of the 200 million+ people who live there. But fuck them, right? Also we should have economic gain from working with the Russians. That's one of the big positives of improved relations. To see that as a negative is beyond me. Esspecially considering all the other countries we have economic relations with.

But Putin is bad, unlike our friends the Saudis. They've never done anything as bad as hacked an email server to reveal information that shouldn't be secret in the first place???  I mean all that stuff that you said about supporting dictators and murderers could be said about Obama as well. If that's a reason to make a whole people suffer, then it would be done to America. Also, they didn't 'hack our government.' They hacked a private email server and revealed information that we should have had access too anyway

Also, 95% of my facebook friends are of the left leaning type. So I can 100% say there is plenty of negative fake news about Trump and Republicans. I literally see it everyday. Fake news has been around since the internet. In fact some of the stories about Russia making up fake news that I've seen have no real sources. They even called the Ron Paul report Russian controlled fake news based on nothing at all. Left leaning fake news even gets repeated on here from time to time. So I know that you know it's not some sort of right wing phenomenon that originates in Russia.

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It was meant as a joke, not defending the idiocy of not wanting intelligence briefings.

I apologize then

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Of all the things to come out of Trump being elected, improved relations with Russia are by far the best, perhaps the only positive thing to come out of his being elected. The aggressive language and admitted personal vendetta that Hillary Clinton had towards Russia and Putin was scary. It is a GOOD thing that we get along with the second largest nuclear power. Considering that Hillary made nuclear war a subject in the campaign, any improved relations should be seen as a good {thing. Of course Democrats would be saying the same thing if it were Bernie Sanders improving the relations with Russia, as he would probably have done as well.

As for the hacking, it wouldn't have mattered if she had been hacked if she didn't have a bunch of shady shit that she was hiding from the American people everything that was hacked, we should be entitled to know anyway. Only career politicians can think that it's okay spy on American people, that it's treason to reveal that information, as Hillary said about Snowden, and that the Americans aren't entitled to know anything about what you are doing and saying behind the scenes.

Nonsese

Well what got hacked? The DNC, which is a private organization and Hillary Clinton's private emails. So calls that Russia hacked the US government aren't even true based on the pretty sketchy information that is claimed. Also if Hillary Clinton's emails revealed that she was a hard working politician who supported the American people and played by the rules, then it wouldn't have mattered if they were hacked or not. Instead they revealed she's a cheat and a liar who fucked over Bernie Sanders, gives special influence to Wall Street, denigrates Atheists (search Atheism in the Hillary Clinton emails) and pressures people who to give to the Clinton foundation. If Hillary was really this hard working woman of the people, then hacked her emails would have increased her poll numbers.

[Faith No More]

We should have a good relationship with him, if for nothing else then for the sake of the safety of the world.  Although I can think of dozens of reasons why it's better to have a good relationship with Russia then a bad one, including the welfare of the 200 million+ people who live there. But fuck them, right? Also we should have economic gain from working with the Russians. That's one of the big positives of improved relations. To see that as a negative is beyond me. Esspecially considering all the other countries we have economic relations with.

Just how much do think the average Russian benefits from us being friendly with Putin, a man that controls the press and murders those that speak out?  If their welfare was the big concern, we should be trying to remove him.

And I wasn't talking about the U.S. financial gains, whatever that may be.  I was talking about Trump and his family's.

But Putin is bad, unlike our friends the Saudis. They've never done anything as bad as hacked an email server to reveal information that shouldn't be secret in the first place???  I mean all that stuff that you said about supporting dictators and murderers could be said about Obama as well. If that's a reason to make a whole people suffer, then it would be done to America. Also, they didn't 'hack our government.' They hacked a private email server and revealed information that we should have had access too anyway

Point to one instance I've said it's good to be friends with Saudi Arabia and Obama shouldn't be criticized, and you'll have a point.  As it stands you're just flailing your arms and tossing out red herrings.

Fine, private servers run by government officials.  Way to miss the forest for the trees.  The point is that they tried to manipulate the election.  It's not as if there isn't anything in the Republican's e-mails that we would benefit from, but the Russians were only interested in swaying opinion one way.  No big deal, right?

Also, 95% of my facebook friends are of the left leaning type. So I can 100% say there is plenty of negative fake news about Trump and Republicans. I literally see it everyday. Fake news has been around since the internet. In fact some of the stories about Russia making up fake news that I've seen have no real sources. They even called the Ron Paul report Russian controlled fake news based on nothing at all. Left leaning fake news even gets repeated on here from time to time. So I know that you know it's not some sort of right wing phenomenon that originates in Russia.

Sure, fake news is a problem on both sides.  I guarantee you, though, if we went tit for tat, there would turn out to be much more fake news on the right.  #Pizzagate

Regardless, you once again miss the point.  The Russians tried to manipulate the American people, so...let's be friends with no consequences?  It's absurd.

[Cato]

Keep in mind that what is meant by 'hacked' is that Podesta clicked on a phishing email. Anyone that doesn't believe the U.S. was hacking Russia while Clinton was the Secretary of State is incredulous. It's also why Obama's promise of retaliation is idiotic posturing.

[Mister Agenda]

It just occurred to me that Putin might view war between the USA and China as an opportunity. I was kidding about India, but I'm a little concerned by this possibility.

[scoobysnack]

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/12/trump-al...s-as-fake/

Trump allies turn up in Moscow to talk end to sanctions and bash critical Putin news as ‘fake’

Drumpf is quickly slipping over the line from shithead to traitor.

After Trump won the election the defcon alert level fell back to safe levels. Not to mention the stock market immeditly went up to now record levels as business are now optomistic again since we are coming to an end of Obama's govenor he put on the economic engine of the US. 

Clinton was a warmonger who as usual projected who she is onto her enemy. It was part of the strategy and why she was always in attack mode. Not to mention it came out in wiki leaks the DNC had what they called the pied piper strategy to promote Trump since they saw him as the easiest candidate to beat lol.

Clinton was talking openly about attacking Russia with physical weapons in response to cyber warfare. It's one reason DNC staffers started releasing info to wikileaks along with other people in the US intel agencies to release the info. This came out before the election, but the news media is attempting again to blame Russia because it fits their dying narrative. They know they are losing control and the US is about to see prosperity again. I'm really surprised more of the left haven't been sharing this video where it's explained who is doing the leaking:







Personally I would like to have better relations with Russia to avoid a war with them and find some common ground, and maybe remove the sanctions to create a more interdependent world.

[Minimalist]

I suppose having Drumpf sucking Putin's cock would be one way to attain your goal.  Personally, I find it reprehensible.

[abaris]

It just occurred to me that Putin might view war between the USA and China as an opportunity. I was kidding about India, but I'm a little concerned by this possibility.

I don't think he would wish for that. Or see it as an opportunity. Everyone going down that lane has already donated what little brain they had left. If for no other reason than for the total economic eclypse of a war between two of the worlds leading industrial powers with ties and investments in virtual every other country on this globe.

No, Putin certainly doesn't wish for a war with China. Rising tension maybe, but noone could gain from an open war.

I suppose having Drumpf sucking Putin's cock would be one way to attain your goal. Personally, I find it reprehensible.

US policy has sucked so many dictator's cock that one more really doesn't matter.

[Amarok]

Keep in mind that what is meant by 'hacked' is that Podesta clicked on a phishing email. Anyone that doesn't believe the U.S. was hacking Russia while Clinton was the Secretary of State is incredulous. It's also why Obama's promise of retaliation is idiotic posturing.

1. It's still hacking

2.Citation needed

3.Even if it's true as I have already said TWO WRONGS DON'T MAKE A RIGHT !

4. So your advice for the U.S is to bend over essentially

[Tonus]

Clinton was a warmonger who as usual projected who she is onto her enemy. It was part of the strategy and why she was always in attack mode. Not to mention it came out in wiki leaks the DNC had what they called the pied piper strategy to promote Trump since they saw him as the easiest candidate to beat lol.

I think that everyone saw him as an easy candidate to beat. The GOP basically invited him to run as a Republican because they figured it was better to avoid a third-party run by having him lose in the GOP primaries. And to be honest, I don't think Trump himself was serious about it until the GOP front runners started to self-destruct and he won some early states and winning suddenly became a possibility. As his odds improved, the GOP must have been cursing its bad luck-- they knew Clinton had so much baggage that she was definitely beatable, but all they had left was Trump or Ted Cruz (who may be more disliked within his party than Trump... or Clinton). Even after he won the nomination, many in the GOP kept taking shots at him or openly plotting ways to sink his candidacy. They may be putting up a "united" front now, but that's because they've got no choice-- four years of Trump means at least one Supreme Court seat filled by a conservative judge, and maybe more. And that will resonate far longer than the four or eight years Trump might serve.