Are you still grieving? You are not alone.

[Mermaid]

Double post

[CapnAwesome]

I do wake up with a sort of sense of unbelief every morning. Actually I woke up with that feeling even when he was nominated. However unlike most of my friends (on here and in real life) I'm not filled with a total sense of dread. I think mostly because I read more diversified media then your average Atheist forums user or my average facebook friend, almost all of whom read exclusively left leaning media. If you listen to actual Trump voters or right wing media, you'll discover that they didn't vote for him because of racist reasons, but either for standard Republican ones or an opposition to Hillary Clinton or because they are afraid of losing their jobs to more outsourcing, which is a classic political line of the left. It was the latter voters who gave Trump the election.

If all you read is from the left wing media, then it's easy to believe that it's just a bunch of racists and the world is headed for inevitable destruction. If you diversify your thought, you'll probably calm down a little.

Although at the same time, I am moving to Australia for a couple of years, so who am I to say.

[Catholic_Lady]

I'm sorry you're still feeling sad, hon.

My comment about us having elected a president, not a king, wasn't meant to be insensitive. I was attempting to bring some perspective in to make ppl feel better and more hopeful.

[abaris]

My comment about us having elected a president, not a king, wasn't meant to be insensitive. I was attempting to bring some perspective in to make ppl feel better and more hopeful.

It all depends if checks and balances work. There's European precedence of them not working. Hungary and Poland. There's also Turkey. I guess noone in their right mind would still call it a democracy. If a president presides over bootlicking houses, all kinds of things are possible.

[CapnAwesome]

My comment about us having elected a president, not a king, wasn't meant to be insensitive. I was attempting to bring some perspective in to make ppl feel better and more hopeful.

It all depends if checks and balances work. There's European precedence of them not working. Hungary and Poland. There's also Turkey. I guess noone in their right mind would still call it a democracy. If a president presides over bootlicking houses, all kinds of things are possible.

It is going to be an interesting test of checks and balances. I think a big problem is that Bush and Obama both have been expanding executive authority greatly and our system of checks and balances, which once was one of the best systems in the world, has been greatly eroded. Part of this is Obama's fault. He expanded the power of sign in statements and expanding the power of the president to unilaterally make war. Oops. Seems like a mistake now, doesn't it?

[Mermaid]

And this makes me pine for a Bush presidency. Seriously.

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From what I've been hearing a lot of people who supported Trump had to pretend to support Hillary because of the backlash. Maybe that's why this election came as a surprise to you, lots of people are simply scared to speak their minds because they don't want to be politically incorrect.

In my humble opinion, the whole notion of political correctedness screams, "shut up. You're wrong, we're right and if you don't accept this, we'll ruin you.", ie, a form of silencing. Unless and until people become understanding and are willing to explain their stance in a purely adult manner without screaming "you fucking white male", this trend will continue.

"Political correctness" is being respectful of other people. No more, no less. Anyone that whines about being called out for being disrespectful to other people is an asshole. No more, no less.

[CapnAwesome]

And this makes me pine for a Bush presidency. Seriously.

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From what I've been hearing a lot of people who supported Trump had to pretend to support Hillary because of the backlash. Maybe that's why this election came as a surprise to you, lots of people are simply scared to speak their minds because they don't want to be politically incorrect.

In my humble opinion, the whole notion of political correctedness screams, "shut up. You're wrong, we're right and if you don't accept this, we'll ruin you.", ie, a form of silencing. Unless and until people become understanding and are willing to explain their stance in a purely adult manner without screaming "you fucking white male", this trend will continue.

"Political correctness" is being respectful of other people. No more, no less. Anyone that whines about being called out for being disrespectful to other people is an asshole. No more, no less.

The same champions of political correctness are the ones who are willing to call people racist for little to no reason. I don't know about you, but I find being called a racist very very insulting and disrespectful. I've been called a racist tons of times by these politically correct morons for my views on Islam, which is a religion and ideology and not a race. Political correctness is normally just a shield to be able to say whatever you want and try to stifle what other people want to say. Fuck political correctness.

[scoobysnack]

I fully expect a few of the less sensitive members on this forum to troll me here, but I'm not in any mood to be called snowflake, pansy, or be told to grow up and put on my big boy pants (or other like insults), so I won't be responding to any comments like that.  I know I can't stop you from posting, just know I'll not be responding to any cruel trolling.

This thread is to help people who need to heal, for people who are suffering from legitimate grief since the election.  Like me.  I'd like to share with anyone here going through anything similar.  

Still grieving Trump? You are not alone

So almost every morning since the election I wake up feeling so strange.  Depressed, angry, more depressed, anxious, etc. Yes it's getting a bit better, but coming up on the electoral college vote the stress is starting to make it worse again.  I am having actual nightmares, and even when not election themed, my sleep has been much more disturbed, and my waking hours I feel constantly distracted and tired.  I cry over literally nothing.  In the shower, while playing video games, while driving to the store. My thoughts wander in mid sentence, I keep catching myself just staring off into space. 

The first few days after the election I thought it WAS normal, and that it would pass.  But it isn't passing!  I'm angrier than I've been in...well, maybe ever.  But that's only when I have the energy to even be angry. 

I'm trying to identify exactly why I feel this grief so deeply. I honestly feel if it had been Romney, or Jeb Bush, I would have been pissed and snippy for a few days, then moved on.  
This is like someone died.  I feel very real emotional pain,and it's not stopping, because I'm constantly reminded of the cause.  Can't look at FB, this site, or any news anywhere without a reminder that is akin to a punch in the face.

It feels so extreme.  I've tried to identify what my grief and anger is centered around, but it isn't just one thing.  So here a few things I have been feeling, rational or not.  I need to get them off my chest.

I honestly feel like Hillary lost because she's a woman.  Yeah, I know ALL of the problems that faced her, I've seen them listed over and over.  But Trump was just as bad or far worse in every category.  Why are people upset that she's on the side of wallstreet, but ignore the oh so obvious fact that Trump will be as bad or worse?
(I also hear hillary lost her shit on election night, all as an aside with sniggers included from the person telling it.  And you know, even if true, I just feel so bad for her!  Losing to that monster, the fact that she has returned to the public eye at ALL says something about her fortitude.  I still catch myself trying out how it would have felt to see her smiling face on the news each day instead of that orange sphincter, and that makes me sad too.  What might have been.  


I feel betrayed by my own country.  I thought people were better than this, better than him!  I felt we were moving away from his kind of thinking.  Yes, I know these people still exist, I guess I just didn't realize they compromised between 25 and 50% of everyone.

I am angry at people who fell for (and continue to fall for) fake news.  I'm angry that people are so selfish and so easily fooled by a con man.

My husband has told me in the past that he thinks I'm an optimist.  I feel there is "good" in everyone, and I try to look for it.  I forgive easily, and empathize constantly.  So now I'm angry at my own naitivity.  To think that people really wanted to be part of humanity as a whole, to love others as they are.  A world without borders, governments, religions, etc.  I know we are still so far away, but I felt a bit hopeful that we were moving in the right direction!  Now it seems John Lennons Imagine was just violently murdered by a mob screaming "Trump that Bitch" and thrown in the gutter.  And yes, I see the irony of me not accepting everyone here, which is perhaps part of my frustration and anger.

I spent a brief amount of time taking the advice of trying to talk to Trump voters to find that common ground, to understand and hopefully move forward.  But the immediate response in every case has been condescending name calling.  I'm a SJW, or a libtard, or an insane leftist that is bullying people, etc.  I stopped trying to talk to them.  They are full of glorified righteous anger, and my pathetic grief cannot withstand it.

I catch myself looking at people's cars, their faces, their clothes, and wondering, did they vote for Trump?  I've NEVER done this kind of thing before!  I don't judge people based on who they voted for, that's stupid!  Or it was; now, I am torn.

I tried to get involved in some activism, and although it made me feel really energized at first, that didn't last. First, it was the postcard campaign against Bannon, and signing petitions.  I have even made more than one donation to groups I've never donated to before, such as Planned parenthood and the ACCLU. But then a few days later, I start feeling that none of my activism will make a difference, so I'm right back to depression.  I mean, nothing is stopping the White house filling with science deniers, creationists, bigots of the very worst stripe, and completely unqualified 1%ers with literally 0 experience at what they are now in charge of.

Well, I'm really opening myself up to hurt here, but I'm hoping that in doing so I can find a way to start healing.

As a Trump supporter myself I'm not going to call you any names, and would actually like to hear your concerns about Trump. Honestly I'd like to hear the specifics which would be good to talk about so we could find some common ground and maybe I could help remove some of the fears, or at least give you the opportunity to talk. I promise to not be judgemental on your thread, and just would really like to hear about what is troubling you.

[Catholic_Lady]

I'm an advocate for being respectful and sensitive to others, but I feel like political correctness goes too far when it keeps you from speaking the truth. Truth can be spoken in a respectful and loving manner.

Also, I can't stand the jarring double standards taken by some ppl who are constantly on about political correctness.

[scoobysnack]

From what I've been hearing a lot of people who supported Trump had to pretend to support Hillary because of the backlash.

Reading fake news sites is bad for your health. It was the Drumpfucks that were doing the defacing of property, the intimidation, the threats of presidential assasination. The whole mythology of the "shy Trump" voter is a lie. He brought not one single person to the booths that the republicans hadn't already captured.

You can't silence people in the voting booths

Seems to me that when the candidate who lost the vote by 3m votes and counting, when the candidate whose party disenfranchised at least 7 million voters (and when you factor in the use of voter ID laws declared unconstitutional by the highest court in the land north of 10 million US citizens probably lost their right to vote), is declared the winner the people at the polling booths have been silenced.

Trump's swearing in will be as shabby and treasonous a day as when Franz von Papen crowned Hitler Reichkanzler back in 1933.

Not really at all actually. The left is openly calling for his assassination. The left has been rioting. The left has been defacing property all over. The left spray painted make america white again on a building, which was pounced on by trump protesters as proof trump supporters were racists, when in fact it as a leftists who wrote it in protest. There are stories of Muslims who faked stories about being harassed, and now getting charged with filing false police reports.

Then to factor in the all the ICE agents who talk about the fake documents they find on the illegal aliens and the left pushing for non citizens to vote you have to wonder how many illegal votes were cast in sanctuary cities. The vast majority of citizens have drivers licences or at least IDs despite what the left likes to say. There are really very few people that don't have IDs in the US.