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RE: Strong and Weak Arguments
December 30, 2016 at 5:53 pm
Weakest would be the Comological argument; the person making the argument obviously has no information regarding the point in question so can only be regarded as speculation at best and a blatent attempt to decieve at worst.
The strongest argument would be the universality of human belief in "something", of course that points towards some form of shamanism.
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RE: Strong and Weak Arguments
December 30, 2016 at 5:55 pm
I don't see me as weak for not believing in gods. I do find all the arguments, and arguments is all there is, for gods... insufficient.
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RE: Strong and Weak Arguments
December 30, 2016 at 7:43 pm
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Weakest athiest argument... tough one...
I`ll go with; Read the bible. - Noone reads the bible it's fucking dull as pigshit and irrelevant to theists beliefs in the first place.
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RE: Strong and Weak Arguments
December 30, 2016 at 11:37 pm
Its so very easy to point out the perceived weaknesses of the stance with which you disagree. So I invite those just joining to do as some others have done and seriously perform a self critique.
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RE: Strong and Weak Arguments
December 31, 2016 at 8:51 pm
I can't really think of a weak argument against God, but I guess one candidate would be characterising God as negative on the strength of the Bible; though it's intuitively/emotionally appealing, logically it's just as susceptible to bias and cherry picking as when Christians do it in the opposite direction; demonisation/devaluation vs the halo effect/idealisation. But I don't see much way around that - on either side of the fence - because in both cases it's based on an interpretation of the Bible that emphasises some things and de-emphasises others but if it was approached completely objectively, taking it at face value and giving every statement equal weight, it appears to me that it would be impossible and would just come out as one big, disjointed, contradictory mess. In other words it seems to me necessary to 'interpret' it because of this, but since there's nothing to say any one interpretation is better than another... whether Christian vs atheist or Christian schism vs Christian schism... the whole endeavour seems pointless.
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RE: Strong and Weak Arguments
December 31, 2016 at 10:05 pm
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Strongest theist argument: Evil God argument.
That such complex and obscene theatrics would manifest as the result of natural law sometimes seems inexplicable to me.
Weakest atheist argument: As already mentioned, trying to fight scripture with scripture is a futile exercise. Not to say it doesn't amuse me endlessly.
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RE: Strong and Weak Arguments
December 31, 2016 at 11:29 pm
I hate reading scriptures. I think it burns my eyes a little.
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RE: Strong and Weak Arguments
December 31, 2016 at 11:38 pm
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(December 31, 2016 at 11:29 pm)Whateverist Wrote: I hate reading scriptures. I think it burns my eyes a little.
I just enjoy scouring the SAB for things that legit contradict whatever point the other person is trying to make. And basking in the inevitable absence of response.
The trick is this: always be careful to include the full context.
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RE: Strong and Weak Arguments
January 1, 2017 at 12:16 am
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(December 31, 2016 at 11:41 pm)Whateverist Wrote: (December 31, 2016 at 11:38 pm)ApeNotKillApe Wrote: I just enjoy scouring the SAB for things that legit contradict whatever point the other person is trying to make. And basking in the inevitable absence of response.
The trick is this: always be careful to include the full context.
The problem there would be having to familiarize myself with all that crap. *shudders*
Not really. They're not familiar with it. I just mean that it's best to make sure whatever you present isn't closely flanked by something that an apologist might point out and say 'Ah look at this tangentially related thing you didn't mention that doesn't really affect your point. Didn't account for that did you? Obviously you deliberately ignored it because its very presence demolishes your entire argument. Somehow.'
I don't think it's healthy to encourage their projection, plus I happen to enjoy denying them the satisfaction.
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