4 Arrested In FB Video Torturing Of A Mentally Challenged Man

[Brian37]

Huh? It was a hate crime means I jumped the shark? 

No Brian. You have jumped the shark because no matter the topic of conversation you belch forth some anti-capitalist bitch.

The rest of your inane reply is quixotic; essentially arguing with yourself.

Define "anti capitalist"? You might want to consider you are putting thoughts in my head that are not there.

I am not anti private sector, or anti free market. I don't know where anyone keeps falsely getting that idea. Anti monopoly and pro livable wages does not make me anti private sector. 

It still remains when it comes to economics and our justice system, minority sects of our population ON AVERAGE are more ON AVERAGE affected negatively. That is not a call for Stalin's Russia or Castro's Cuba. It is merely saying inequity exists. And it also is not saying because the pa gap is too big, is also not saying everyone should make the same. I wish everyone would stop assuming that is what I am arguing.

Immigrants and minorities in any country are going to be treated differently than that majority. For the same reason life for a Christian living in the east is going to be more difficult than living in America. 

China is a capitalist country too, they allow global companies to exist there and the communist party profits off those companies being there. Saudi Arabia is also a capitalist country, their Royal Family owns oil companies and banks and also invest in the weapons industry. Gaddaffi was a billionaire who owned stock in General Electric.

All I was arguing was HERE in America, it is still harder for minorities than whites, that is not an argument to end the private sector or pay differences, and "capitalism" isn't a form of government in any case regardless.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Brain, I was in my shop two days ago and got a small splinter in the ball of my right thumb. I was able to get it out without too much trouble, and then I applied an anti-infection cream and an Elastoplast.

Please expound for us on how this ties into the Boxer Rebellion and how the opium trade is directly responsible for continued whale harvesting by the Japanese and the Russians.

Boru

[Thumpalumpacus]

NO nobody is minimizing or excusing. You are actually perpetuating it by ignoring the inequity.

No, I'm not ignoring it. What I'm doing is commenting on the incident alone -- and your insistence at pointing out the flawed behavior of other ethnicities, which does indeed minimize the crime on the video. "Look Ma, he did it too!" is exactly the reasoning in play, seeking to mitigate the effects of the offense tendered by pointing out that others do it, and do it more often.

The next time you want to talk about my opinion, you'd ought to at least have the good sense to learn it first, instead of assuming I'm ignoring a problem simply because I don't see fit to agree with your fulminations.

[Catholic_Lady]

Keep calm and donate to the victim

https://www.gofundme.com/lets-show-the-c...ictim-love

[brewer]

So what? We know all that. Simply because there are more anti-minority hate groups is no reason to minimize the atrocious behavior in the OP's video.

NO nobody is minimizing or excusing. You are actually perpetuating it by ignoring the inequity.

How do you prevent long term from blacks or whites falling into bad company? Accepting that poverty and law affect minorities at a far higher rate, isn't trying to sweep their hate under the rug one bit. This is what blacks Know and far too many whites ignore. And no, it isn't whites trying to guilt trip other whites or excuse blacks. It is simply stating an average and by looking at that sample as a long term condition, you can address it.

We have this discussion as a nation every time an unarmed black ends up dead by cop. It is why that white rich kid got away with killing 4 in the drunk driving initially with a slap on the wrist only to flee to Mexico. If that had been a group of white teens beating up a black mentally disabled person, sure everyone would also right fully be outraged and call that a hate crime. But long term ON AVERAGE are not going to be punished equally ON AVERAGE. And our current climate of revenge justice simply puts the perps in a violent meat grinder prison in any case, and does nothing to create conditions that when these prisoners get out, wont repeat again. 

If we all like to say we hate racism, and none of us want it to exist, you are still stuck with the conditions and should still consider the average treatments and inequities, otherwise you wont solve those problems long term.

They have society induced oppressfluenza. How could they possibly know better?

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Just like took forever for big oil to take led out of gas. 

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Don't forget about lead from the big paint cartels.

[abaris]

What I don't get is the inequity of the justice system. These four go away for a long time, and rightfully so, but just today I read about a similar incident where the perp goes free because he's coming from an influental family.

Idaho teen football player walks free after sodomizing black disabled teammate with wire hanger

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/12/idaho-te...re-hanger/

[Thumpalumpacus]

That's America, folks.

[brewer]

Agree, that was not justice. The afluenza kid was not justice.

[Brian37]

NO nobody is minimizing or excusing. You are actually perpetuating it by ignoring the inequity.

No, I'm not ignoring it. What I'm doing is commenting on the incident alone -- and your insistence at pointing out the flawed behavior of other ethnicities, which does indeed minimize the crime on the video. "Look Ma, he did it too!" is exactly the reasoning in play, seeking to mitigate the effects of the offense tendered by pointing out that others do it, and do it more often.

The next time you want to talk about my opinion, you'd ought to at least have the good sense to learn it first, instead of assuming I'm ignoring a problem simply because I don't see fit to agree with your fulminations.

Hold on now, "Look maw, he did it too" is not what I am doing, it is what far too many whites do.

You cannot comment on one incident alone. It is the same error in selection bias and sample rate error in logic that causes people to go "It's cold today so climate change is bullshit".

That could have been me doing that in that video when I was young. I was lucky never to have gone that far, and that was growing up on a street full of racist bullies. NOBODY IS OR SHOULD GIVE THEM A PASS. OK? But it still remains that our economy and law system negatively affects minorities on average at a higher rate than whites.  If a group of white frat boys had done the same thing to a black disabled kid, sure there would be outcry, but a jury is still going to be more likely to punish them less severely or a judge is more likely to plea them out less severely. 

Ignoring that long term reality is why still today, blacks have to fear being pulled over. I see excuses by whites about why armed or unarmed why a black person end up dead by comparison at a far higher rate ON AVERAGE than when whites interact with law. 

Eric Garner died in a choke hold unarmed. Yet a white guy goes into a movie theater in Colorado murders several people and still ends up in the back of the squad car in one piece. Law enforcement bought Roof fast food on the way to jail, and again, he murders 9 blacks, and still makes it to jail in one piece. 

YES they did that horrible act and YES it was wrong and YES they need to face punishment. Nobody is arguing that part. Nobody is making excuses for what they did. But they will not get an O.J. dream team defending them either. Poor and middle class whites who would do the same thing do not get punished as severely on average as when blacks do the same thing. 

If you are not willing to look at economics and law in terms of who is affected more negatively you wont ever get a handle on race relationships in this country. 

"BLM" isn't saying "only black lives matter" nor would they excuse or condone what these black teens did. But it took less than a day when the news broke for the alt right bigots to try to attach these teens to that movement. I am offering you a solution to reduce things like this and to improve race relationships in this country.

[Thumpalumpacus]

Actually, I can, and will, comment on any one incident, and limit my scope of conversation as a result, as I please. Look at the scattershot nature of your posting in this thread, and ask yourself how successful your approach is at advancing the discussion and perhaps even changing minds.