Where are we now with 'Noah's Ark'???
January 15, 2017 at 11:50 am
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Where are we now with 'Noah's Ark'???
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You can go with the "it's a parable" dodge. Or you can accept that most people don't think about what's in the Bible, it would just confuse them. Or worse, make them think.
You have to put it in a historical context. We have evidence of this particular myth going back to the Early Bronze Age and such heroes as Ziusudra, Atrahasis and Gilgamesh far preceding any "noah" in the record. There are written records of the first two going back to the 17th and 18th centuries BCE which puts them solidly in the Middle Bronze Age and one can only guess how long the tales circulated prior to that. Therefore one must assume that these tales were fully incorporated into the folklore of the entire region and, bullshit aside, the jews were nothing special. Just a rather insignificant tribe of goat herders at a time when other nations formed great empires. So when something resembling judaism began to coalesce, in the Persian period, they gathered up local legends and wrote them into their origin stories.
(January 15, 2017 at 12:04 pm)Minimalist Wrote: We have evidence of this particular myth going back to the Early Bronze Age and such heroes as Ziusudra, Atrahasis and Gilgamesh far preceding any "noah" in the record. There are written records of the first two going back to the 17th and 18th centuries BCE which puts them solidly in the Middle Bronze Age and one can only guess how long the tales circulated prior to that. Yes I am indeed aware that the 'Noah' version was not the original flood story. But wouldn't this make it even more of a reason for the christians to play it down? What possible advantage would there be in claiming that the story is literally true? I got to thinking about this after having a recent chat with a JW. Apparently they still sell 'Noah's Ark' as a non-fiction tale... RE: Where are we now with 'Noah's Ark'???
January 15, 2017 at 12:20 pm
(This post was last modified: January 15, 2017 at 12:23 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
The advantage was credibility, continuity, cultural assent. "As we have long known and as our fathers have told us, x y and z....furthermore..... Christ!"
Regardless, christians -do- play it down. We'll never hear the end of "Well, that's OT stuff, it's an NT game now. Jesus rewrote the book!".
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(January 15, 2017 at 12:04 pm)Minimalist Wrote: You have to put it in a historical context. We have evidence of this particular myth going back to the Early Bronze Age and such heroes as Ziusudra, Atrahasis and Gilgamesh far preceding any "noah" in the record. There are written records of the first two going back to the 17th and 18th centuries BCE which puts them solidly in the Middle Bronze Age and one can only guess how long the tales circulated prior to that. Therefore one must assume that these tales were fully incorporated into the folklore of the entire region and, bullshit aside, the jews were nothing special. Just a rather insignificant tribe of goat herders at a time when other nations formed great empires. So when something resembling judaism began to coalesce, in the Persian period, they gathered up local legends and wrote them into their origin stories. Nobody has issues with inclement weather, it's the "destroying the world because God can't make people who don't sin" part that a rational person has trouble with.
Many fables were made canon based on their popularity with the public. The Flood myth is one of those that tends to resonate with people. Also part of the reason it was around to be reappropriated in the first place.
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(January 15, 2017 at 12:20 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Regardless, christians -do- play it down. We'll never hear the end of "Well, that's OT stuff, it's an NT game now. Jesus rewrote the book!". Perhaps then the christians might want to consider a complete and thorough modern re-write of the entire bible. I think I'd like to see a Quentin Tarantino screenplay on an updated and revised edition...
Quote:But wouldn't this make it even more of a reason for the christians to play it down? First off it is a jewish tale. You raise the far more interesting question of why did xtians feel compelled to attach the OT to their bullshit story? After all, Marcion who wrote the first xtian "canon" was quite content to cut the jews out of it completely.
Cultural appropriation? After all, it's easier to sell something when there's already a market for it.
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