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RE: How to debunk the resurrection?...
October 9, 2010 at 7:47 am
(October 8, 2010 at 9:06 pm)dave4shmups Wrote: Lol, that's fantastic, and a great argument!! What about people arguing that there were reliable eyewitnesses?
Just point out the fact that in their own bible, IT EVEN SAYS that people back then "didn't believe."
...Let me repeat that...
People back then, who knew who Jesus was... knew that he died... Did not believe that Jesus resurrected.
That would be like me saying that George Carlin hasn't come back from the dead, after I see him crawl out of his grave and do some more stand up on HBO.
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RE: How to debunk the resurrection?...
October 9, 2010 at 8:29 am
(September 14, 2010 at 11:14 pm)Watson Wrote: What the hell has atheism doen for you?
Freed me from the necessity of feeling guilty for being alive.
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RE: How to debunk the resurrection?...
October 9, 2010 at 9:19 am
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(September 14, 2010 at 11:14 pm)Watson Wrote: What the hell has atheism doen for you?
What has not believing the claim that "if you hold a gun to your head, you'll become immortal and receive billions of dollars when you pull the trigger," done for you?
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RE: How to debunk the resurrection?...
October 9, 2010 at 11:36 am
(October 8, 2010 at 12:05 pm)IceSage Wrote: I think Picard is better than Kirk. You're nuts! No way! Kirk is far better than Picard.
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RE: How to debunk the resurrection?...
October 9, 2010 at 12:33 pm
(October 9, 2010 at 11:36 am)A Theist Wrote: (October 8, 2010 at 12:05 pm)IceSage Wrote: I think Picard is better than Kirk. You're nuts! No way! Kirk is far better than Picard.
OH, IT'S ON GIRLFRIEND! *snaps fingers and shakes head*
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RE: How to debunk the resurrection?...
October 9, 2010 at 1:28 pm
(October 9, 2010 at 12:33 pm)IceSage Wrote: (October 9, 2010 at 11:36 am)A Theist Wrote: (October 8, 2010 at 12:05 pm)IceSage Wrote: I think Picard is better than Kirk. You're nuts! No way! Kirk is far better than Picard.
OH, IT'S ON GIRLFRIEND! *snaps fingers and shakes head* Yeah Baby! In your face...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goHVqVtPe...re=related
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RE: How to debunk the resurrection?...
October 9, 2010 at 1:48 pm
(September 12, 2010 at 2:15 pm)dave4shmups Wrote: Other then the fact that humans don't rise from the grave, how does one counter argue the Christian arguments for the resurrection of Christ?? I've read that, those who were hostile to Christ during his life would have had no reason to steal his body, that the Romans would not have, and that his disciples-who seem confused about his saying that he had to die and rise again-would not have stolen the body because they didn't expect Christ to rise again.
I know about "The Lost Tomb of Jesus" film, but I've read that it's used sloppy methods and is generally unreliable. Any good books, or films, would be helpful to me, though.
I think the fact that people don't usually rise from the dead places the burden of proof squarely on the person making the claim. So there is really nothing you need do. You don't have to disprove Zeus or Thor or any other farfetched claim, so what is so special about the resurrection?
Blame Hitchens, Dawkins & Harris...
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RE: How to debunk the resurrection?...
October 9, 2010 at 3:01 pm
Quote:I know about "The Lost Tomb of Jesus" film, but I've read that it's used sloppy methods and is generally unreliable.
Simcha Jacobovici is a con artist.
http://en.academic.ru/dic.nsf/enwiki/5178116
Quote:Following the media's portrayal scholars present at the symposium accused Simcha Jacobovici and James Cameron for misleading the media in claiming the symposium reopened their theory as viable. Several scholars, including significantly all of the archaeologists and epigraphers, who had delivered papers at the symposium issued an open letter of complaint claiming misrepresentation, saying that Jacobovici and Cameron's claims of support from the symposium are "nothing further from the truth"
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Quote:Israeli archaeologist Amos Kloner, who was among the first to examine the tomb when it was first discovered, said the names marked on the coffins were very common at the time."I don't accept the news that it was used by Jesus or his family," he told the BBC News website."The documentary filmmakers are using it to sell their film.
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RE: How to debunk the resurrection?...
October 9, 2010 at 7:48 pm
(October 8, 2010 at 11:59 pm)Minimalist Wrote: "Paul" who math would tell us was a contemporary of the god boy never seems to have met him.
...and, I'll say it again, flatly denies that Jesus had ever lived during his lifetime, which is why, Paul explains, he never met him except in a spiritual vision:
1Cor 15:8 And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time.
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RE: How to debunk the resurrection?...
October 10, 2010 at 1:42 am
That could be because
2 Corinthians 11
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At Damascus, the governor under King Aretas guarded the city of Damascus, in order to seize me,
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but I was lowered in a basket through a window in the wall and escaped his hands.
Aretas III ruled Damascus from c 84 - 64 BC. Whoever (probably Marcion) compiled this bullshit under the name of "Paul" didn't seem to know much about Judaean history in the first centuries BC and AD. Probably because Marcion was from Sinope in Asia Minor.
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