The Irish just went full retard - Legalizing gender discrimination

[Divinity]

Oh, but Divinity, it's so much worse than just signing up for selective service.

It's signing up for selective service in an era in which there is about zero chance of the government initiating a draft, since the military has made it perfectly clear that they want no part of one ever again, if it can be helped. So not only do we have to fill out a short form, but then we have to submit it with a fair certainty that we will never be forced to serve in the military.

*Casts his eyes imploringly skyward as he groans under the burden of his gender and skin color*

You poor thing!  I never knew you guys had it so bad!  Wow, when it's put like that.  *a single tear drop appears in my eye* I feel your pain!  Oh the horrors of filling out a short form that will likely never have any effect on your life!  It's just too much to bare!  Why won't someone... get rid of this pointless system that oppresses so many?  Is it because minorities have been in charge for so long?  that's it, isn't it!  Oh my gosh, I've never seen the privilege we have.

[Crossless2.0]

Oh, but Divinity, it's so much worse than just signing up for selective service.

It's signing up for selective service in an era in which there is about zero chance of the government initiating a draft, since the military has made it perfectly clear that they want no part of one ever again, if it can be helped. So not only do we have to fill out a short form, but then we have to submit it with a fair certainty that we will never be forced to serve in the military.

*Casts his eyes imploringly skyward as he groans under the burden of his gender and skin color*

You poor thing!  I never knew you guys had it so bad!  Wow, when it's put like that.  *a single tear drop appears in my eye* I feel your pain!  Oh the horrors of filling out a short form that will likely never have any effect on your life!  It's just too much to bare!  Why won't someone... get rid of this pointless system that oppresses so many?  Is it because minorities have been in charge for so long?  that's it, isn't it!  Oh my gosh, I've never seen the privilege we have.

*sniff*

Finally, someone understands!

[CanOfMountainDew]

Just because a legal right doesn't confirm your narrative, it doesn't stop being a legal right.

Don't act as if I only acknowledge that which "confirms my narrative." That's not what's happening and it's not a fair argument.

Women are protected under law to have genital integrity. There is a specific law that forbids female genital mutilation. This law doesn't include men, and men have no specific law of their own to protect against genital mutilation. This is a legal right women have that men don't.

Again, we're legally protected because of an insanely abusive practice that leads to horrific side effects. It doesn't mean we have more rights. That said, it seems the majority of adult white men in this country prefer to be circumcised for religious regions. That isn't the case for adult white women, so it's not really a fair argument. While I do think males should be able to make this decision for themselves, it's just not a good example. On the flip side, you could say men have a right to be circumcised and women don't because it's illegal to circumcise a woman, so if I wanted to for religious reasons, I couldn't. I mean, whether it's a good thing or a bad thing, if we're going right by right here, we're still even.

Also men have to sign up for the selective service to acquire a whole host of rights that women get by default. Acquiring these rights by default is a legal right women have that men don't

Catch up with the times, yo. That's not a thing anymore or is soon to be not a thing anymore.

I gotta' be honest. While white men in a first world nation in 2017 are undoubtedly one of the most privileged demographics to ever exist on this earth, I'd say there's just one demographic that beats them in that regard; white women.

Wow. Eyes meet wool. Again, there is one area where that might be true. In others, it just isn't. Unless you're living the most sheltered life ever, I can't understand how a woman can't recognize the obstacles in her path. Have you pursued careers, taken time from work to care for children, etc.?

"Again, we're legally protected because of an insanely abusive practice that leads to horrific side effects. It doesn't mean we have more rights."


In fact it does. The law that prohibits that abusive practice creates a legal right for women under that given legal system. That's the definition of a legal right. There's not a law that parallels that law but for men. Therefore women have every right men do, in the US, + this one which is specific to them: They have more legal rights in the US than men.


"Catch up with the times, yo. That's not a thing anymore or is soon to be not a thing anymore."


Are you going to argue that men don't have to sign up for the selective service to receive rights that women get just for existing? If not I don't understand the snark. This is yet another legal right which women have that men don't.


"Wow. Eyes meet wool. Again, there is one area where that might be true. In others, it just isn't. Unless you're living the most sheltered life ever, I can't understand how a woman can't recognize the obstacles in her path. Have you pursued careers, taken time from work to care for children, etc.?"


Yes, it's so hard being a woman, having not only more rights granted to me by my government  but also getting advantages from gender-quota affirmative action in hiring practices and scholarships. much wow very hard life /s

[Iroscato]

In point of fact, I can. Dwarfism accounts for about 1/40 000 people worldwide. Therefore, I would expect dwarfs to hold approximately .0025% of available management positions.

So here you made up a theory that the number of dwarfs in the population is proportional to the number of dwarfs found in management positions hence why there are so many less dwarfs in management positions.

Females, on the other hand, account for roughly 50% of the population of Ireland. Thus, when women hold only one in five available management positions, I am forced to wonder what else is at play.

And here you disprove your own theory as the number of women in the population isn't proportional to the number of women in management positions.

Your reasoning is hence proved false.

So let's try again Boru, why are dwarfs underrepresented in management positions? Is there a discrimination in play here? Let's hear your thoughts.

[paulpablo]

I haven't spent anytime researching this topic, but does childbirth.
As in women give birth to children and usually take more time off work, have more complications with felaxability in work hours.

Because other than that I can't see why a bussiness with pure capitalist intentions wouldn't hire as many women as men.

[Seraphina]

I like how guys on AF stick up for us women. It doesn't go unnoticed.

[Shell B]

I like how guys on AF stick up for us women. It doesn't go unnoticed.

Well, some of them.

[Jesster]

I like how guys on AF stick up for us women. It doesn't go unnoticed.

Well, some of them.

The good ones do, and I definitely appreciate it too.

The others can kiss my ass or shape up

[ErGingerbreadMandude]

Ahh yes, the conservative BULLSHIT that white men are the most oppressed. Which is why we've never had a white male President in modern history.

Men got into these positions and they just happened to be white, they didn't get into those positions because they were white. Correlation does not imply causation.

It's really hard being a white man in this country.

Okay so what you're doing is you're looking at the white men that make the most money and somehow attribute their success to all white men?? Don't you know there are poor as shit white men too?

Unless you're living the most sheltered life ever, I can't understand how a woman can't recognize the obstacles in her path. Have you pursued careers, taken time from work to care for children, etc.?

Um, these problems are not exclusive to women Lmao. Do you actually think everybody else just gets to skate through ice while just the women have to walk on fire?

Yes. My point was that expecting anything other than idiocy from you is setting oneself up for disappointment.

Don't flatter yourself, my question was directed towards Shell B. It's pretty obvious you don't know much about this topic so I generally just ignore your posts, soz.

[Ravenshire]

Or... I'm saying that the guy has never said anything worth responding to.  He lives in his own little bubble where the world works exactly the way he thinks it works.  And anyone who says otherwise is 'wrong'.

Also I'm saying he's an asshole quite frankly.

But why say that? If his reasoning is faulty on any given thing, just cliarify exactly why it is faulty, right? No need to be rude.

He's been remarkably resistant to revision in beliefs despite the arguments and evidences that have been thrown his way. At a certain point you realize it's a lost cause. Many of us here are past that point.