Guys do you believe Howard Storm's NDE?

[Cyberman]

And if one of the resurrectees says that there is nothing beyond - remember these would be actual death experiences, not near ones - will that change your opinion?

[HairyCyclist]

Most religious people are motivated by their faith in God so they wrongly think that they experience God and in this case I agree with you but this thread is all about NDEs and in the NDEs God is real so this is a real experience not a fake one and when the experience is real you can't possibly go wrong.  

Then how do people experience totally different things with a NDE? You would expect everyone to see exactly the same things wouldn't you?

[Fake Messiah]

It is becoming increasingly obvious that you have not actually done any research whatsoever on any of the relevant topics. You are flatly and incontrovertibly wrong in every detail.

Look Parei do me a favor.
Go to your doctor and ask if there is any life in a person which his-her heart stop function for several minutes and in many cases for much longer and the brain doesn't get any supply of blood and oxygen for all that time.
After that come back here to talk to LR.  

Actually there seems to be  life in a person when his-her heart stop function for several minutes. There was a study of this and an article in 2014. Here are some inserts:

"The largest ever medical study into near-death and out-of-body experiences has discovered that some awareness may continue even after the brain has shut down completely.

It is a controversial subject which has, until recently, been treated with widespread skepticism.

But scientists at the University of Southampton have spent four years examining more than 2,000 people who suffered cardiac arrests at 15 hospitals in the UK, US and Austria.

And they found that nearly 40 per cent of people who survived described some kind of ‘awareness’ during the time when they were clinically dead before their hearts were restarted."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2016/...fic-study/

The article claims that people appear to be mentally aware (to some degree) for few minutes when there is no recorded brain activity occurring.

[Little Rik]

Before to go any further you should understand what is the difference between UNIdimension and MULTIdimension.

No. I just need you to produce some evidence.

If you do not believe LR when he tell you that hallucinations only happen when the brain function or works then your doctor and your psychiatrist can explain you better about  hallucinations if you are so interested
and if you do not believe these experts then the only think you can do is to jump in the lake.    

True, but again the best thing to do in these cases are to follow logic and logic say that it doesn't make sense to die when your vehicle die.

False analogy.

Fail again Parei.
Progress happen because thinkers always rely on logic.
If would be up to people who live inside a corral of dogmas that wait for the bread to fall from the sky like you then we wouldn't have any progress.
NONE of whatsoever.  

Literally all evidence we have shows that consciousness is not merely within the brain, but produced by it.

Garbage Parei, total garbage.
You show me that there is any evidence in it and I will give you a truck full of pure gold.  

NDEs are real because a dead brain can not create hallucinations

People having near-death experiences are not dead.

That is most bizarre Parei.
Atheists praise science so much and yet when science prove then wrong they still carry on with their masturbation of beliefs.  

and because NDEs are real also God is real.

Circular and does not follow. Even if God existed, near-death experiences could still be hallucinations.

Sorry son but science tell us that hallucinations can not occur when the brain is dead.  

Wrong again Parei.  

No, Rik. Not wrong. Lack of oxygen causes hallucinations.

You still can not get it Parei, do you?  
Even the link that you present yesterday tell you that different quantity of lack of oxygen cause different
symptoms so a lack of small quantity of oxygen can well cause hallucinations but when the lack of oxygen is total or 100% then death occur and no hallucinations are possible.
Can't you read your own link Parei?

As far as the death was declared by a qualify doctor then the death did really occurred.

Which did not happen. Hence the whole resuscitation bit.

This tell me that you didn't ask your doctor about the issue.    

Resuscitation can happen if the body (dead body) is given a CPR or in the future by different means but
the fact that resuscitation happen it clearly means that the bloke was dead.
It is called resuscitation because life is given to a dead body not to someone who was not dead.
Capisci?  

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Look Parei do me a favor.
Go to your doctor and ask if there is any life in a person which his-her heart stop function for several minutes and in many cases for much longer and the brain doesn't get any supply of blood and oxygen for all that time.
After that come back here to talk to LR.  

Actually there seems to be  life in a person when his-her heart stop function for several minutes. There was a study of this and an article in 2014. Here are some inserts:

"The largest ever medical study into near-death and out-of-body experiences has discovered that some awareness may continue even after the brain has shut down completely.

It is a controversial subject which has, until recently, been treated with widespread skepticism.

But scientists at the University of Southampton have spent four years examining more than 2,000 people who suffered cardiac arrests at 15 hospitals in the UK, US and Austria.

And they found that nearly 40 per cent of people who survived described some kind of ‘awareness’ during the time when they were clinically dead before their hearts were restarted."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2016/...fic-study/

The article claims that people appear to be mentally aware (to some degree) for few minutes when there is no recorded brain activity occurring.

Wrong again Mess.  
First of all the article say................“We just don’t know what is going on. We are still very much in the dark about what happens when you die and hopefully this study will help shine a scientific lens onto that.”.......
Beside the fact that the research admit  that they still don't know what is going on it also say the word.....DIE.
So if the bloke did die then the consciousness leave the dead body and in this case the person can have a full NDE or just a glimpse of it with something that resemble to an hallucination but hallucination is not because only a brain that is not dead can give an hallucination.
In other word that study didn't get it for the simple reason that science can not understand how the consciousness works yet.  

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And if one of the resurrectees says that there is nothing beyond - remember these would be actual death experiences, not near ones - will that change your opinion?

I already discussed this issue in previous post but considering that I deal with people that do not remember what they read then I will explain once again.
God give what is needed.
No more no less.
If the person need a full experience then God will give one if on the other hand the person need only a glimpse of it God will give a glimpse and if the person is not ready to learn anything then God will give nothing so is not strange that people that are not interested to learn anything will get nothing and because these people have the free will God will let them believe that after death there is nothing.

Got it mate?

[Fake Messiah]

Wrong again Mess.  
First of all the article say................“We just don’t know what is going on. We are still very much in the dark about what happens when you die and hopefully this study will help shine a scientific lens onto that.”.......
Beside the fact that the research admit  that they still don't know what is going on it also say the word.....DIE.
So if the bloke did die then the consciousness leave the dead body and in this case the person can have a full NDE or just a glimpse of it with something that resemble to an hallucination but hallucination is not because only a brain that is not dead can give an hallucination.
In other word that study didn't get it for the simple reason that science can not understand how the consciousness works yet.  

No Rick, when they said they don't know they meant they didn't know if people hallucinate or still have some awareness, not the supernatural thing.

[Little Rik]

Wrong again Mess.  
First of all the article say................“We just don’t know what is going on. We are still very much in the dark about what happens when you die and hopefully this study will help shine a scientific lens onto that.”.......
Beside the fact that the research admit  that they still don't know what is going on it also say the word.....DIE.
So if the bloke did die then the consciousness leave the dead body and in this case the person can have a full NDE or just a glimpse of it with something that resemble to an hallucination but hallucination is not because only a brain that is not dead can give an hallucination.
In other word that study didn't get it for the simple reason that science can not understand how the consciousness works yet.  

No Rick, when they said they don't know they meant they didn't know if people hallucinate or still have some awareness, not the supernatural thing.

If the study got nowhere then is worthless.
The day that science will understand something more about consciousness then they will have achieved something.
At the moment they achieve nothing.  

[Cyberman]

And if one of the resurrectees says that there is nothing beyond - remember these would be actual death experiences, not near ones - will that change your opinion?

I already discussed this issue in previous post but considering that I deal with people that do not remember what they read then I will explain once again.
God give what is needed.
No more no less.
If the person need a full experience then God will give one if on the other hand the person need only a glimpse of it God will give a glimpse and if the person is not ready to learn anything then God will give nothing so is not strange that people that are not interested to learn anything will get nothing and because these people have the free will God will let them believe that after death there is nothing.

Got it mate?

Rikky, this is why people don't like you. Your attitude stinks of shit. You could simply have 'explained' (for want of a better word) your point, but no you chose to be a condescending twat while doing it. I'm not obliged to read everything people write, and I generally skip over most things that you write as a matter of self-preservation.

Get a better attitude.

In the meantime, go and fuck yourself.

[Little Rik]

I already discussed this issue in previous post but considering that I deal with people that do not remember what they read then I will explain once again.
God give what is needed.
No more no less.
If the person need a full experience then God will give one if on the other hand the person need only a glimpse of it God will give a glimpse and if the person is not ready to learn anything then God will give nothing so is not strange that people that are not interested to learn anything will get nothing and because these people have the free will God will let them believe that after death there is nothing.

Got it mate?

Rikky, this is why people don't like you. Your attitude stinks of shit. You could simply have 'explained' (for want of a better word) your point, but no you chose to be a condescending twat while doing it. I'm not obliged to read everything people write, and I generally skip over most things that you write as a matter of self-preservation.

Get a better attitude.

In the meantime, go and fuck yourself.

Is this a kangaroo court?
LR said that someone doesn't remember what he read because that same person sometime ago said..........I HAVE TO GO THROUGH ALL THE SHIT THAT PEOPLE WRITE.....or something similar.
From this I understood that Mr Stim would have read my previous posts.

Got it now Mr. smart?  

[Cyberman]

Fuck your fucking arrogance up your arse, you condescending piece of shit. Don't ever address me again.