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RE: A rational explanation for hell?
July 20, 2011 at 8:20 pm
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(July 20, 2011 at 7:37 pm)C Rod Wrote: The Bible is real and was real before your were in this world, the choice is yours. If you do not seek forgiveness or accept it when it is given, should you be forgiven when it is ultimately your choice?
The bible is a joke. In fact, I am so sure that it is utter nonsense that if I am wrong, I will gladly take my place in hell. That is how sure I am that it is bogus. Your fairy tales of eternal damnation don't scare me a bit, and I feel sorry for you that you will waste your life preparing for an afterlife that doesn't exist.
EDIT: This was my post #777, making it my holiest post yet.
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RE: A rational explanation for hell?
July 20, 2011 at 8:26 pm
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(July 20, 2011 at 8:17 pm)Darwinian Wrote: (July 20, 2011 at 8:06 pm)C Rod Wrote: Is not choice good or do you wish not to have the burden of choice? A good man will make a good choice if he is truly good and an evil man will make an evil choice if he is truly evil. What do say about these men; what would a lawgiver or judge say? A gun compared to choice is a little extreme. If he shoots someone does his ignorance prove that the crime did not happen. Adam and eve both knew what God commanded and when another choice arose one different than the first they jumped at the chance. After that they sought the resources of the garden to fix their problem and hid from God. God asked them what they had done and she blamed the snake and he blamed eve but they did not seek God. They missed the mark every time but "The LORD God made garments of skin for Adam and his wife and clothed them." Gen 3:21
Are you here to debate or simply to give sermons?
yea that last part was unnecessary, sorry
(July 20, 2011 at 8:20 pm)FaithNoMore Wrote: (July 20, 2011 at 7:37 pm)C Rod Wrote: The Bible is real and was real before your were in this world, the choice is yours. If you do not seek forgiveness or accept it when it is given, should you be forgiven when it is ultimately your choice?
The bible is a joke. In fact, I am so sure that it is utter nonsense that if I am wrong, I will gladly take my place in hell. That is how sure I am that it is bogus. Your fairy tales of eternal damnation don't scare me a bit, and I feel sorry for you that you will waste your life preparing for an afterlife that doesn't exist.
EDIT: This was my post #777, making it my holiest post yet.
I love "if I am wrong" that get me every time. So much uncertainty it amuses me, this truly is waste of time.
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RE: A rational explanation for hell?
July 20, 2011 at 8:41 pm
(July 20, 2011 at 8:26 pm)C Rod Wrote: I love "if I am wrong" that get me every time. So much uncertainty it amuses me, this truly is waste of time.
Considering it's my eternal soul at stake, I'd have to be pretty confident here. The 'if I am wrong' statement was really meant to show you how much of a joke I think your beliefs are, not to show uncertainty. Hell does not exist, and the whole concept of the afterlife is a bedtime story for those afraid of death. You will be worm food, just as I will be worm food. The only difference is I accept that, and I don't have to make up an imaginary plane of existence to deal with it.
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RE: A rational explanation for hell?
July 20, 2011 at 9:00 pm
(July 20, 2011 at 8:26 pm)C Rod Wrote: (July 20, 2011 at 8:17 pm)Darwinian Wrote: (July 20, 2011 at 8:06 pm)C Rod Wrote: Is not choice good or do you wish not to have the burden of choice? A good man will make a good choice if he is truly good and an evil man will make an evil choice if he is truly evil. What do say about these men; what would a lawgiver or judge say? A gun compared to choice is a little extreme. If he shoots someone does his ignorance prove that the crime did not happen. Adam and eve both knew what God commanded and when another choice arose one different than the first they jumped at the chance. After that they sought the resources of the garden to fix their problem and hid from God. God asked them what they had done and she blamed the snake and he blamed eve but they did not seek God. They missed the mark every time but "The LORD God made garments of skin for Adam and his wife and clothed them." Gen 3:21
Are you here to debate or simply to give sermons?
yea that last part was unnecessary, sorry
(July 20, 2011 at 8:20 pm)FaithNoMore Wrote: (July 20, 2011 at 7:37 pm)C Rod Wrote: The Bible is real and was real before your were in this world, the choice is yours. If you do not seek forgiveness or accept it when it is given, should you be forgiven when it is ultimately your choice?
The bible is a joke. In fact, I am so sure that it is utter nonsense that if I am wrong, I will gladly take my place in hell. That is how sure I am that it is bogus. Your fairy tales of eternal damnation don't scare me a bit, and I feel sorry for you that you will waste your life preparing for an afterlife that doesn't exist.
EDIT: This was my post #777, making it my holiest post yet.
I love "if I am wrong" that get me every time. So much uncertainty it amuses me, this truly is waste of time.
Quote:I love "if I am wrong" that get me every time. So much uncertainty it amuses me, this truly is waste of time.
Then who are you trying to convince? Us? Or yourself?
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RE: A rational explanation for hell?
July 20, 2011 at 9:17 pm
(July 20, 2011 at 9:00 pm)Mad Militant Wrote: Quote:I love "if I am wrong" that get me every time. So much uncertainty it amuses me, this truly is waste of time.
Then who are you trying to convince? Us? Or yourself?
I guess myself. You must know that anyway, you must gain something from this that is truly valuable. I have nothing wrong with debating but it just seems to waste time, all we have is belief and well informed speculation but no incontrovertible truth that can be acquired.
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RE: A rational explanation for hell?
July 20, 2011 at 9:25 pm
Quote:I believe Jesus died for my sins and I accepted that, may i ask what you did today or what you will do tomorrow?
Yep, you may ask and since I'm feeling gracious I will even answer. I participated in the rescue of two dogs and transport of them to new homes.
I'll tell you what I did not do, today. I did not waste one second of my time wondering about your fucking fairy tale god or any of his horseshit stories.
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RE: A rational explanation for hell?
July 20, 2011 at 9:48 pm
(July 20, 2011 at 9:17 pm)C Rod Wrote: (July 20, 2011 at 9:00 pm)Mad Militant Wrote: Quote:I love "if I am wrong" that get me every time. So much uncertainty it amuses me, this truly is waste of time.
Then who are you trying to convince? Us? Or yourself?
I guess myself. You must know that anyway, you must gain something from this that is truly valuable. I have nothing wrong with debating but it just seems to waste time, all we have is belief and well informed speculation but no incontrovertible truth that can be acquired.
Yeah I gain something from it. Your wanting us to give you a rational explanation for something your religion created to scare the crap out of you! The only rational explanation is "FEAR" thats what your religion created this mythos for "FEAR" Instilling in peoples heads that if they do not comply with the dogma thats being force fed down their throats this what they have to look forward to. Your asking the wrong ones to give you a rational explanation of something you should be asking on a christian site..........
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RE: A rational explanation for hell?
July 20, 2011 at 9:49 pm
There are plenty of "incontrovertable truths" can be leveraged against your concept of god. Hey, the biblical god is a myth. When I do die, I wont go to heaven or a hell. Certain enough?
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RE: A rational explanation for hell?
July 20, 2011 at 10:56 pm
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I think Hell, Evil and Sin give a really bad impression to something called god that is responsible for the existence of it all.
When seeking to influence absolute obedience unto a doctrine, like a religious one, what better way to persuade compliance than to threaten with the likes of what Hell is described to be?
Anyone who's ever burned themselves even slightly know how painful it is. Creating a myth that says essentially, if you're not at your best, if you fail to live up to a certain standard, if you die a sinner, if you're morally bankrupt, etc... you're going to feel the ravages of fire and brimstone because you shall suffer after death with no relief from the torment, forever.
It's no wonder that in the 1400's people accused of heresy were burned at the stake while those who watched gained a graphic lesson as to what happens if one is not in keeping with church doctrine.
Here's an interesting read on the subject, per the . And why not? Given the early church sent it's message as to how important it is to be a "good Catholic" by burning to death a great many people for a great many years.
Though it seems that Hell was a early Christian church creation. As the Jewish faith didn't teach of Hell but rather a place called .
It's interesting the extreme difference between the two places. Hell and Sheol. One affords the dead eternal suffering while the other affords a shadowy existence devoid of hope and yet without torment for eternity. And Christianity, that religion of good news with the god of love and his son of peace chose the afterlife for the fallen to be wrought with unquenchable thirst and searing flames for all eternity.
Terror is a great persuader.
Omniscience decrees obey or burn.
Gotta love that quirky omnibenevolence. 
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RE: A rational explanation for hell?
July 20, 2011 at 11:09 pm
Sheol being just as ridiculous, of course.
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