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RE: My former Pastor: "You're not accountable to anyone."...
September 15, 2010 at 9:01 pm
Quote:5) Our lives are GREATLY improving, I bet he wants to live in the dark ages, what an idiot.
Haha really?
How many young people kill themselves in secular 'advanved' countries?
The world is not improving, that is based on wishful thinking...
Its ok to have doubt, just dont let that doubt become the answers.
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RE: My former Pastor: "You're not accountable to anyone."...
September 15, 2010 at 9:30 pm
(September 15, 2010 at 9:01 pm)solja247 Wrote: Quote:5) Our lives are GREATLY improving, I bet he wants to live in the dark ages, what an idiot.
Haha really?
How many young people kill themselves in secular 'advanved' countries?
The world is not improving, that is based on wishful thinking... It is improving, health wise. We have greatly improved life expectancy. So what if people kill themselves? That's called being deranged, not atheist, no connection other than SOME atheists are most likely deranged.
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RE: My former Pastor: "You're not accountable to anyone."...
September 16, 2010 at 10:40 am
(September 15, 2010 at 9:01 pm)solja247 Wrote: Quote:5) Our lives are GREATLY improving, I bet he wants to live in the dark ages, what an idiot.
Haha really?
How many young people kill themselves in secular 'advanved' countries?
The world is not improving, that is based on wishful thinking...
What does this have to do with anything? People have been killing themselves since there have been people. People in theocracies kill themselves. People in secular countries kill themselves. How is this evidence that the world is not improving?
And you know what? If the world is not improving the fault lies with religious whackos, not atheists. Who blows themselves up in a crowd of strangers? Religious whackos. Who opposes educating young girls? Religious whackos. Who flies planes full of people into buildings full of people? Religious whackos. Who wants to impose harsh laws that are relics of the Bronze Age? Religious whackos. Who stands around holding up signs that say "GOD HATES FAGS!"? Religious whackos. Who is our biggest concern if they obtain nuclear weapons? Religious whackos.
Atheism has done nothing as far as hindering scientific progress, repressing people or committing atrocities. That ball is squarely in religion's court.
Science flies us to the moon and stars. Religion flies us into buildings.
God allowed 200,000 people to die in an earthquake. So what makes you think he cares about YOUR problems?
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RE: My former Pastor: "You're not accountable to anyone."...
September 16, 2010 at 10:50 am
(September 15, 2010 at 2:02 pm)dave4shmups Wrote: Ok, so we just talked on the phone, but he said that why not just look at porn magazines, why not just "live it up", because you're not accountable to anyone?? Best response I have ever seen...
Quote:Many that live deserve death. Some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them, Frodo? Do not be too eager to deal out death in judgment. Even the very wise cannot see all ends.
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RE: My former Pastor: "You're not accountable to anyone."...
September 16, 2010 at 5:12 pm
Richard Dawkins <3
Such an awesome guy and a good response.
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RE: My former Pastor: "You're not accountable to anyone."...
September 16, 2010 at 6:05 pm
(September 16, 2010 at 10:50 am)annatar Wrote: [Dawkins clip]
The vast majority of atheists in my local group are ex-Christians. I once asked for a show of hands how many were ex-Christians. Then I asked, "Ok, how many of you, as soon as you lost your faith, went out on a spree of robbery, mayhem and murder?" No hands went up. Only laughter. Nobody loses their morality when they lose their faith.
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RE: My former Pastor: "You're not accountable to anyone."...
September 16, 2010 at 6:14 pm
Exactly, and those brought up atheist can also be perfectly moral (in my eyes of course)
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RE: My former Pastor: "You're not accountable to anyone."...
September 18, 2010 at 3:34 pm
People who believe that morality can only exist with belief in punishment as a deterrent scare me. Because what they are really saying is that they themself would go nuts if they didn't believe in an external observer.
I am thinking that it cannot be called morality if something good is only done under threat of pain or harm.
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RE: My former Pastor: "You're not accountable to anyone."...
September 18, 2010 at 9:38 pm
(September 15, 2010 at 2:02 pm)dave4shmups Wrote: Ok, so we just talked on the phone, but he said that why not just look at porn magazines, why not just "live it up", because you're not accountable to anyone?? How do I answer that objection to my Atheism?? He also said, where are you going to go when "your hear melts down", ie, hard times hit? Finally, he said that morals come from somewhere, and that we are getting worse rather then better, as human beings-presumably without Christianity.
I really would like to know how to answer him.
I take it that he thinks society ceases to exist when god does.
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RE: My former Pastor: "You're not accountable to anyone."...
September 18, 2010 at 9:58 pm
(September 18, 2010 at 3:34 pm)FadingW Wrote: People who believe that morality can only exist with belief in punishment as a deterrent scare me. Because what they are really saying is that they themself would go nuts if they didn't believe in an external observer.
I am thinking that it cannot be called morality if something good is only done under threat of pain or harm. Well said. No one suggest that after WWII the nazis were moral for HAVING to close the camps.
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