This chap just wants to get out of the army discuss

[downbeatplumb]

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/09/02/mus...ghanistan/

A Muslim soldier from Texas who joined the U.S. Army last year now wants to leave the military, claiming he is a conscientious objector whose devotion to Islam has suffered since he took an oath to defend the United States against all enemies.

So he joined the army at a time when the armies main targets are muslim insurgents and then decides that its wrong, he only joined last year!

[Minimalist]

Probably discovered how many xtian shitwits are in the army.

[lrh9]

What is there to discuss? Currently the United States army is a voluntarily staffed and manned army. If someone wants to leave they have the right to leave.

[Minimalist]

"I realized through further reflection that God did not give legitimacy to the war in Afghanistan, Iraq or any war the U.S. Army would conceivably participate in," he wrote.

Whereas Bush's god thought it was a great fucking idea!

[DiRNiS]

"I knew that if I went to Afghanistan and, God forbid, something were to happen, that my faith was so weak that I wouldn't be admitted into heaven….

Yeah, his invisible friend has made getting past those pearly gates really difficult, hasn't he?

[Shell B]

What is there to discuss? Currently the United States army is a voluntarily staffed and manned army. If someone wants to leave they have the right to leave.

There's plenty to discuss. They sign a contract voluntarily. They can't leave unless their reason for leaving is covered in the contract. For the record, being a conscientious objector does not exempt you from the contract.

He should be given a desk job and told to quit his bitching.

[Oldandeasilyconfused]

What is there to discuss? Currently the United States army is a voluntarily staffed and manned army. If someone wants to leave they have the right to leave.

You mean morally? There is no such right.


Legally? Not sure that's right. I think a contract is signed. The US military has also used a practice called "Stop loss" preventing soldiers from leaving even once their contract has expired.


The soldier in question is stuffwit. His status of conscientious objector would not be be recognised either in a volunteer army ,nor as a Muslim. There's a technical term used in the Australian army for the young man's predicament: EL FUCKING STIFFO!


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Stop-loss is a term primarily used in the United States military. In the U.S. military, it is the involuntary extension of a service member's active duty service under the enlistment contract in order to retain them beyond their initial end of term of service (ETS) date and up to their contractually agreed end of obligated service (EOS). It also applies to the cessation of a permanent change of station (PCS) move for a member still in military service. Stop-loss was used immediately before and during the first Persian Gulf War. Since then, it has been used during deployments to Somalia, Haiti, Bosnia, Kosovo and after the September 11 attacks and the subsequent War on Terror.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop-loss_policy

[lrh9]

You mean morally? There is no such right.

Legally?

You know I was referring to legal rights. There are no moral rights as I attest to in my signature.

It is possible he can game the system and get a general discharge, and he always has the option of earning a dishonorable discharge if he wants to do that..

[Oldandeasilyconfused]

It is possible he can game the system and get a general discharge, and he always has the option of earning a dishonorable discharge if he wants to do that..

Agreed,but that is not what you said.

You actually said

Currently the United States army is a voluntarily staffed and manned army. If someone wants to leave they have the right to leave.

That statement is incorrect as far as I can see.

Signature? What signature? Do you mean your description of yourself as a 'metaphysical naturalist"? That sounds like some form of theist to me.

[lrh9]

Signature? What signature? Do you mean your description of yourself as a 'metaphysical naturalist"? That sounds like some form of theist to me.

Hm. You reminded me I deleted my signature. I regret that now.

You'd be mistaken if you thought a metaphysical naturalist was a theist.