Why doesn't hell in Islam and Christianity have Cold as torture?

[Brian37]

The Quran says you can see hell with the eye of certainty if you have certain knowledge! What does this mean?  It also states everyone must cross it, what does this mean? It also states in this world hell encompasses the disbelievers! What does this mean?

Indeed the life in the grave is a between stage where reality is opened, but the reality we will be awakened to which is all our actions alive and connected to us,  the hour when it is revealed as opened to hidden right now, will unfold on the day of judgment,  our actions will take on reality with regards to God's light which is his just judgment, it is then we will have the most accurate view of ourselves and others.

But people who awakened their 6th sense can see the hell in this world given they aren't awakened and at the mercy of misguiding Jinn,  and they can see and scent things we have not.

The Quran also mentions the tree of Zaquum which is heads of devils and is the food of hell, but another verse says they will taste nothing but piss. So what does this all mean? It's reality of uncleanness. The fire is as well a metaphor for this awful stench, this awful tasting drink, and it will be like fire on the skin, except there is no real skin, and every time people come use to it which is their metaphorical skin of their souls, it will be changed to a new level which means the skin itself is a new revelation of the uncleanness that they were, which will increase the taste of Zaquum to be worse and there is no getting use to the fire.

There are but 19 Angels that are guardians over the hell and entrusted to afflicting the punishment, they are obedient and do what they are told. Firm in obedience, if told to cut to pieces (metaphorically our hearts when polytheistic deserve this) a person and throw him in hell, they do so fast.

Those who think evil has no negative form and vision from the positive light, who think little of evil deeds, and that God doesn't see it exactly as it is,  obviously will not fear hell.

Those who remember that which truly sees things as they are, sees our deeds as they are, naturally will fear their actions coming to life from the book they themselves write by their own actions.

May God curse the dark enemy of humanity who takes the fear away from the place which is distant from God and evil is it's staying place, and makes people mock what he himself fears.

The great thing for Christians and Jews and Muslims is that there is no such thing as hell. The bad thing is all three still stupidly threaten each other with a fictional place. I am no more scared of the motif of hell than I am of Darth Vader or the Death Star.

I don't mock religion ANY religion or any alleged "God" because they are real, I mock them because they are not true. 

Mystic, the problem with Christians and Muslims and Jews, is that while not all, but far too much of a big enough minority are using OUR planet of 7 billion for their pissing contest. Now look, I am not unrealistic, I don't expect anyone to disappear as an entire group, but please, I wish all three religions would consider that there are more than just those three competing. There are also Buddhists and Hindus and atheists. 

If Muslims and Jews and Christians insist on all their tribal and needless saber rattling, it would be nice if the violent right of all three would find another planet to murder each other  over and leave the peaceful humans alone, including the peaceful of those three too.

Instead of asking your hero to get revenge, which is what a "curse" is, maybe you should ask your hero to spread peace instead of worrying about him getting his feelings hurt.

[Mystic]

Of course, Dante has the deepest sections of Hell frozen in ice. Read the last four canti of the Inferno.

Antiquity fucked up our species logic. Dante really wrote a horror book on par with Stephen King, problem with the people who read that book back then took it way too seriously. But meh, one of my favorite bands back in the 80s wouldn't have existed Styx. Too much time on my hands.

Europe has tons of artwork on their churches reflecting the darkness of threat of hell. Out of all the religious artwork in human history, Christianity is the most bland and or portrays too much blood lust. Islam has much prettier holy places  to me, but I am not arguing the book, just the look. My favorite religious artwork is the Ancient Egyptians. Vibrant full of color.

What should be pretty about evil and it's consequences?

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The Quran says you can see hell with the eye of certainty if you have certain knowledge! What does this mean?  It also states everyone must cross it, what does this mean? It also states in this world hell encompasses the disbelievers! What does this mean?

Indeed the life in the grave is a between stage where reality is opened, but the reality we will be awakened to which is all our actions alive and connected to us,  the hour when it is revealed as opened to hidden right now, will unfold on the day of judgment,  our actions will take on reality with regards to God's light which is his just judgment, it is then we will have the most accurate view of ourselves and others.

But people who awakened their 6th sense can see the hell in this world given they aren't awakened and at the mercy of misguiding Jinn,  and they can see and scent things we have not.

The Quran also mentions the tree of Zaquum which is heads of devils and is the food of hell, but another verse says they will taste nothing but piss. So what does this all mean? It's reality of uncleanness. The fire is as well a metaphor for this awful stench, this awful tasting drink, and it will be like fire on the skin, except there is no real skin, and every time people come use to it which is their metaphorical skin of their souls, it will be changed to a new level which means the skin itself is a new revelation of the uncleanness that they were, which will increase the taste of Zaquum to be worse and there is no getting use to the fire.

There are but 19 Angels that are guardians over the hell and entrusted to afflicting the punishment, they are obedient and do what they are told. Firm in obedience, if told to cut to pieces (metaphorically our hearts when polytheistic deserve this) a person and throw him in hell, they do so fast.

Those who think evil has no negative form and vision from the positive light, who think little of evil deeds, and that God doesn't see it exactly as it is,  obviously will not fear hell.

Those who remember that which truly sees things as they are, sees our deeds as they are, naturally will fear their actions coming to life from the book they themselves write by their own actions.

May God curse the dark enemy of humanity who takes the fear away from the place which is distant from God and evil is it's staying place, and makes people mock what he himself fears.

The great thing for Christians and Jews and Muslims is that there is no such thing as hell. The bad thing is all three still stupidly threaten each other with a fictional place. I am no more scared of the motif of hell than I am of Darth Vader or the Death Star.

I don't mock religion ANY religion or any alleged "God" because they are real, I mock them because they are not true. 

Mystic, the problem with Christians and Muslims and Jews, is that while not all, but far too much of a big enough minority are using OUR planet of 7 billion for their pissing contest. Now look, I am not unrealistic, I don't expect anyone to disappear as an entire group, but please, I wish all three religions would consider that there are more than just those three competing. There are also Buddhists and Hindus and atheists. 

If Muslims and Jews and Christians insist on all their tribal and needless saber rattling, it would be nice if the violent right of all three would find another planet to murder each other  over and leave the peaceful humans alone, including the peaceful of those three too.

Instead of asking your hero to get revenge, which is what a "curse" is, maybe you should ask your hero to spread peace instead of worrying about him getting his feelings hurt.

God has a guardian and hero that will establish peace, like every religion believes, and Islam is no exception to the belief of one who will establish peace and justice. The difference in 12ver Shiism, is that this guardian is alive today and is connected to all humans, and has a proof in God's book which has clear proofs of guidance and proofs for itself, as well as the sayings of the Prophet and the Guardian's predecessors.

[Anomalocaris]

Yap, the Nordic underworld is icy and foggy.  That Christian and Islamic hell betrays what ifnorant desert dwellers fears betrays how colloquial and ignorant the "prophets" who made each respective cult realky had been, and how pitiful and yet contemptible those who have seen the world from space and yet remain beholden to these fairytales really are

Our actions have true life,  they get their judgment from a living perception that sees as they are, our mere chemicals in our brains aren't what defines these actions nor stores them nor keeps their value attached to us. That is a clear truth, a certain truth, which religion does justice to this being who maintains every soul by what is has earned, that is up to everyone to find out, but for certain this being would try to save us from its displeasure.

If only saying it makes it so.

[Mystic]

Our actions have true life,  they get their judgment from a living perception that sees as they are, our mere chemicals in our brains aren't what defines these actions nor stores them nor keeps their value attached to us. That is a clear truth, a certain truth, which religion does justice to this being who maintains every soul by what is has earned, that is up to everyone to find out, but for certain this being would try to save us from its displeasure.

If only saying it makes it so.

Saying so doesn't make it so, but if you testify with the truthful tongue, you will know it. That is because the truthful tongue, love, sight of the heart and hearing of the heart, are connected, and as I shown in a thread, truthfulness is a way to make distinction between justified beliefs and unjustified beliefs, to the extent it's impossible to truthfully believe what you don't know. If you can testify you will be doing away with the irrational whispers of dark forces that cloud you into denial of what you otherwise should know with eyes of certainty.

[Brian37]

Antiquity fucked up our species logic. Dante really wrote a horror book on par with Stephen King, problem with the people who read that book back then took it way too seriously. But meh, one of my favorite bands back in the 80s wouldn't have existed Styx. Too much time on my hands.

Europe has tons of artwork on their churches reflecting the darkness of threat of hell. Out of all the religious artwork in human history, Christianity is the most bland and or portrays too much blood lust. Islam has much prettier holy places  to me, but I am not arguing the book, just the look. My favorite religious artwork is the Ancient Egyptians. Vibrant full of color.

What should be pretty about evil and it's consequences?

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The great thing for Christians and Jews and Muslims is that there is no such thing as hell. The bad thing is all three still stupidly threaten each other with a fictional place. I am no more scared of the motif of hell than I am of Darth Vader or the Death Star.

I don't mock religion ANY religion or any alleged "God" because they are real, I mock them because they are not true. 

Mystic, the problem with Christians and Muslims and Jews, is that while not all, but far too much of a big enough minority are using OUR planet of 7 billion for their pissing contest. Now look, I am not unrealistic, I don't expect anyone to disappear as an entire group, but please, I wish all three religions would consider that there are more than just those three competing. There are also Buddhists and Hindus and atheists. 

If Muslims and Jews and Christians insist on all their tribal and needless saber rattling, it would be nice if the violent right of all three would find another planet to murder each other  over and leave the peaceful humans alone, including the peaceful of those three too.

Instead of asking your hero to get revenge, which is what a "curse" is, maybe you should ask your hero to spread peace instead of worrying about him getting his feelings hurt.

God has a guardian and hero that will establish peace, like every religion believes, and Islam is no exception to the belief of one who will establish peace and justice. The difference in 12ver Shiism, is that this guardian is alive today and is connected to all humans, and has a proof in God's book which has clear proofs of guidance and proofs for itself, as well as the sayings of the Prophet and the Guardian's predecessors.

I am being very fair to you because I have the same objection to your calling others not to mock your heros and will mock the heros of other religions. Now, this is not mocking human rights, or the right to make any claim you want. I am objecting to the logic, and would so if you were a Christian or Jew.

It makes no sense to me, when a Christian or Muslim or Jew claim their God is all powerful only to get between him and me.

If a God is all powerful, it would not need a human to protect it, either verbally or physically. If it is all  powerful it should be able to squash me like a bug without human's help.

When a Christian or Muslim or Jew say, "Don't pick on my God or prophet or savior" it would be like a 3 foot toddler standing in front of his 6 foot 4 muscle bound dad trying to protect him when he doesn't need your help.

What possibly could I do as a finite weak mortal by calling your God/Prophet names? And if this alleged being cares more about being called names then to me, that makes him a petty God. I think crime and war and disease and death and famine would be far more important than mere words. Is your God so weak he cant fight his own battles without your help? Is he so petty that being called names will crush his ego?

Mystic, trust me. I don't want you dead, I don't hate you. I just don't buy your logic. It makes no sense to claim an all powerful God can do anything he wants to me then step in front of him to protect him. But again, I have the same problem when Christians and Jews claim the "all powerful" attribute too.

This "mocking" on my part is about logic, not bigotry not hate, but logic. I STILL want you here as a fellow human, just like Christians and Jews and anyone of any religion as long as you are non violent. But I also will not be afraid of telling you what I think of your logic. I don't like lying to people. You don't have to go away, but I also don't have any duty to swallow first and never criticize or blaspheme.

[Mystic]

Brian, we are honored to be his servants, God gains nothing from us being his servants.  We gain benefit from glorifying and praising God, he doesn't gain anything.  When God creates, he does so to unlock our full potential, which each creation is the ultimate path.  The ultimate path all Prophets were eventually guided to it, and Mohammad never swerved from it and was always that.

Part of the design for us to unlock our potential and honor us, is to be helpers of God and seek God's help and the help of his helpers in helping God and his Guardian.

To him ascends the good word (faith/testification) and the righteous action lifts, and all honor belongs to God and is his light given from him.

To love God is simply to know him if you truly know and testify to who he is, then everything that disconnects from him will be cut off, and everything that connects us to him, will be held on to.

[Brian37]

Brian, we are honored to be his servants, God gains nothing from us being his servants.  We gain benefit from glorifying and praising God, he doesn't gain anything.  When God creates, he does so to unlock our full potential, which each creation is the ultimate path.  The ultimate path all Prophets were eventually guided to it, and Mohammad never swerved from it and was always that.

Part of the design for us to unlock our potential and honor us, is to be helpers of God and seek God's help and the help of his helpers in helping God and his Guardian.

To him ascends the good word (faith/testification) and the righteous action lifts, and all honor belongs to God and is his light given from him.

To love God is simply to know him if you truly know and testify to who he is, then everything that disconnects from him will be cut off, and everything that connects us to him, will be held on to.

UGGGGGGG, Islam just like Christianity and Jews love the idea of servitude failing to accept that when all three books were written they were written in an age of kings who had FORCED servitude.

I am nobody's "servant". I am entitled to think for myself. Please for just one second, can you take that hand out of your back and do the same? I think it is vile to think of myself as only being here to obey. In free open societies we CONSENT and cooperate, we don't have to merely obey.

If you want to call yourself a "servant" you are only speaking for yourself, you don't get to project your personal desires on me.

[chimp3]

The sadistic bastards who promoted the idea of Hell had fire available to torture heathens and heretics with. Burning people was a very effective way to enforce the vision of hellfire. Just a taste now before an eternity of it.

[Mystic]

I am nobody's "servant". I am entitled to think for myself. Please for just one second, can you take that hand out of your back and do the same? I think it is vile to think of myself as only being here to obey. In free open societies we CONSENT and cooperate, we don't have to merely obey.

If you want to call yourself a "servant" you are only speaking for yourself, you don't get to project your personal desires on me.

You are entitled to think for yourself and I think God in a book from him would encourage that and encourage humans to reflect and it be a primary purpose of his revelation.  But when you think for yourself, you learn from all sorts of people and reflect on what they say, why then not give a chance for God to speak to humanity and you being one who listens to what he has to say and reflect on that as well. Perhaps the things he makes you reflect about and the way to reflect, will help you in your goal to think for yourself in ways you never thought possible. If things seem confusing, why not seek council in sayings that interpret the book from it's guardians and appointed leaders? If that is confusing, why not seek council from different believers.

Why think and reflect on what everyone says and read different books, and not give chance for God to extend a rope from him in form of a book from him and humans who are guardians of it's interpretation (the Successors of the founding Captain)?

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The sadistic bastards who promoted the idea of Hell had fire available to torture heathens and heretics with. Burning people was a very effective way to enforce the vision of hellfire. Just a taste now before an eternity of it.

Actions all have goals. Goals are motivated by an over-arching purpose. Disbelief in Quran is simply belief in Satanic eyes and falsehood magic saying you are everything and everything else is nothing, and making idols for that mother of all idols (the false you).  All evil actions stem from that disbelief of God and who we truly are, and the tree of light by which we are connected to God.

Actions have intentions. Intentions of goals. Goals are related to our beliefs.  If love knows God exists, then how evil is rebellion towards him.

[chimp3]

I am nobody's "servant". I am entitled to think for myself. Please for just one second, can you take that hand out of your back and do the same? I think it is vile to think of myself as only being here to obey. In free open societies we CONSENT and cooperate, we don't have to merely obey.

If you want to call yourself a "servant" you are only speaking for yourself, you don't get to project your personal desires on me.

You are entitled to think for yourself and I think God in a book from him would encourage that and encourage humans to reflect and it be a primary purpose of his revelation.  But when you think for yourself, you learn from all sorts of people and reflect on what they say, why then not give a chance for God to speak to humanity and you being one who listens to what he has to say and reflect on that as well. Perhaps the things he makes you reflect about and the way to reflect, will help you in your goal to think for yourself in ways you never thought possible. If things seem confusing, why not seek council in sayings that interpret the book from it's guardians and appointed leaders? If that is confusing, why not seek council from different believers.

Why think and reflect on what everyone says and read different books, and not give chance for God to extend a rope from him in form of a book from him and humans who are guardians of it's interpretation (the Successors of the founding Captain)?

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The sadistic bastards who promoted the idea of Hell had fire available to torture heathens and heretics with. Burning people was a very effective way to enforce the vision of hellfire. Just a taste now before an eternity of it.

Actions all have goals. Goals are motivated by an over-arching purpose. Disbelief in Quran is simply belief in Satanic eyes and falsehood magic saying you are everything and everything else is nothing, and making idols for that mother of all idols (the false you).  All evil actions stem from that disbelief of God and who we truly are, and the tree of light by which we are connected to God.

Actions have intentions. Intentions of goals. Goals are related to our beliefs.  If love knows God exists, then how evil is rebellion towards him.

Fuck Allah!