Why doesn't hell in Islam and Christianity have Cold as torture?

[Mystic]

You are entitled to think for yourself and I think God in a book from him would encourage that and encourage humans to reflect and it be a primary purpose of his revelation.  But when you think for yourself, you learn from all sorts of people and reflect on what they say, why then not give a chance for God to speak to humanity and you being one who listens to what he has to say and reflect on that as well. Perhaps the things he makes you reflect about and the way to reflect, will help you in your goal to think for yourself in ways you never thought possible. If things seem confusing, why not seek council in sayings that interpret the book from it's guardians and appointed leaders? If that is confusing, why not seek council from different believers.

Why think and reflect on what everyone says and read different books, and not give chance for God to extend a rope from him in form of a book from him and humans who are guardians of it's interpretation (the Successors of the founding Captain)?

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Actions all have goals. Goals are motivated by an over-arching purpose. Disbelief in Quran is simply belief in Satanic eyes and falsehood magic saying you are everything and everything else is nothing, and making idols for that mother of all idols (the false you).  All evil actions stem from that disbelief of God and who we truly are, and the tree of light by which we are connected to God.

Actions have intentions. Intentions of goals. Goals are related to our beliefs.  If love knows God exists, then how evil is rebellion towards him.

Fuck Allah!

May God forgive you and heal your heart.

[Firewalker]

Ice kills too? So whats the big deal? If the devil can roam earth, since earth is supposed to be a battle between good and evil. Then how come the devil cant pick up ice from Alaska?. Gehenna, In islam is from the same root word so its a place of fire abyss. The 7th place of hell i think is the abyss which is essentially nothing. And Sulfur doesnt really count. So the only reason is the middle east was always hot, so basically being in a cold place was possibly paradise to them. No wonder they wanted to get to heaven so fast since its like dozens of minus degrees up there. Actually in Dante's Inferno, Ice is actually mentioned in the abyss (aka added outside the bible. The catholics) Which may explain why they use "Hel" as the norse figure for hell. To try to add outside biblical reasons to make sense off their myth to their fellow worshippers. Which may explain the typical "Cold as hell" expression, even though that is an oxymoron by itself.

But thats the problem. To me this seems like some childish bedtime story you will tell to scare people. I actually believed in Christianity for awhile. But now that i actually thought how this is most likely a mythological made belief. Well i honestly have a hard time looking some theist face to face if this honestly makes sense to them. I mean i am not jewish but i can atleast understand how that one atleast makes a tad bit more sense. Ok. So you are dead, ok your body is destroyed, your god heals you, and Gehenna in judaism is ment to purify your soul not burn you for eternity. Actually the devil is simply an accuser, someone who wishes people to fall astray.. now that actually makes more sense than the sects after it with christianity and islam.

Although hadnt it been for Christianity we wouldnt have gotten some inspirational stories like this. But in the end its just pure fairy tales. What do you think?

It's hilarious, they hadn't found snow yet. Yahweh and Allah were dumbshits.

[Brian37]

Fuck Allah!

May God forgive you and heal your heart.

I'll give you this, that is far better a statement to make, than using your god and hiding behind your god to make threats to others who don't agree with you.

The Koran DOES contain verses that DO justify violence to blasphemers. BUT I also do believe that your own Mo in that same book also says to leave the blasphemers alone because he knew we would pick on him.

I do not buy your book, but as you know, I don't buy any book or any holy writing of any religion. 

Look. I cannot legally stop you from believing. I won't physically force you to stop making these claims. And if it makes you feel good to leave it at "may Allah forgive you", again, that is far more humane than making threats or really physically harming others who dissent or blaspheme. I get upset with Christians who threaten too. Our world is too small for physical violence or more religious wars. If you really believe we will be judged in our afterlife, and Christians and Jews do as well, then leave it to your god and live in non violence regardless of your claims or heros getting picked on. 

Atheists get picked on as well. We get called names too. Getting picked on is not the worst thing in the world. Religious people murdering over getting offended is far worse. If you make it home to bed at night without harm from others, you are having a good day.

[chimp3]

Fuck Allah!

May God forgive you and heal your heart.

And fuck Muhammed and the horse he flew away on!

[Mystic]

MysticKnight
The Koran DOES contain verses that DO justify violence to blasphemers. 

1st of all a book from God like any book can illuminate the truth but never itself justify an action. It can reveal actions that are justified and why we ought to do them, but it can never be used to justify evil.

If it had this evil, than it would be reason to reject it as comprehensively all from God, but it would never justify evil.

In the case of Quran, reason comes before "scriptures" attributed to God, and is what illuminates the holy books and will make you know it is true.

I know you believe scriptures never justify evil but I thought it's necessary to make clear holy books never justify behaviour unless it manifests and reminds of beauty of it, giving it context, and manifesting its goodness.

If it had no proofs of being from God, it would be contradictory in nature with many contradictions with regards to guidance and should be rejected as well simply based on the various verses condemning following without proof or clinging to leadership without proof which would be expected in any guidance from God!

[Brian37]

MysticKnight
The Koran DOES contain verses that DO justify violence to blasphemers. 

1st of all a book from God like any book can illuminate the truth but never itself justify an action. It can reveal actions that are justified and why we ought to do them, but it can never be used to justify evil.

If it had this evil, than it would be reason to reject it as comprehensively all from God, but it would never justify evil.

In the case of Quran, reason comes before "scriptures" attributed to God, and is what illuminates the holy books and will make you know it is true.

I know you believe scriptures never justify evil but I thought it's necessary to make clear holy books never justify behaviour unless it manifests and reminds of beauty of it, giving it context, and manifesting its goodness.

If it had no proofs of being from God, it would be contradictory in nature with many contradictions with regards to guidance and should be rejected as well simply based on the various verses condemning following without proof or clinging to leadership without proof which would be expected in any guidance from God!

Mystic, again, I am being fair to you. The Koran suffers the same thing the Christian Bible and Jewish OT suffer from. LOGIC.

Even if I suddenly said "that makes sense", here is the problem with all those books of Abraham.

Efficiency. 

If one is to claim your God is all powerful be it Allah or Yahweh or Jesus, then why if your dad wants everyone on the same page, would you go out of your way to allow your kids to fight over your instructions? 

Just your umbrella label alone "Islam" as Sunnis and Shiites needlessly murder each other over the same Koran because nobody can agree on how that "instruction manual" should be interpreted. 

It is also the same problem the Bible has. You won't get a Trump voting evangelical Baptist to agree with an Obama voting Baptist. But those Christians still share the same "instruction manual".

I'd love to see the Middle East live in peace. I would love to see Sunnis and Shiites get along. I would love it even more if Jews and Muslims would get along. 

There are even divisions between Jews in Israel. They also have their far right conservative hyper nationalists whom I don't like. There are liberal Jews in Israel who don't agree with their far right. 

But this is the problem EVERY religion suffers from. Even under the same holy writing you have sub sects that don't agree as to who got the interpretation of the writing correct. You wont even find 100% agreement among Buddhist. A Tibet Buddhist will not agree with a Chinese Buddhist, and a Chinese Buddhist wont agree with a Japanese Shinto Buddhist.

If you truly care about your fellow human and you want less violence and war like I do, you really need to understand this.

[Drich]

Ice kills too? So whats the big deal? If the devil can roam earth, since earth is supposed to be a battle between good and evil. Then how come the devil cant pick up ice from Alaska?. Gehenna, In islam is from the same root word so its a place of fire abyss. The 7th place of hell i think is the abyss which is essentially nothing. And Sulfur doesnt really count. So the only reason is the middle east was always hot, so basically being in a cold place was possibly paradise to them. No wonder they wanted to get to heaven so fast since its like dozens of minus degrees up there. Actually in Dante's Inferno, Ice is actually mentioned in the abyss (aka added outside the bible. The catholics) Which may explain why they use "Hel" as the norse figure for hell. To try to add outside biblical reasons to make sense off their myth to their fellow worshippers. Which may explain the typical "Cold as hell" expression, even though that is an oxymoron by itself.

But thats the problem. To me this seems like some childish bedtime story you will tell to scare people. I actually believed in Christianity for awhile. But now that i actually thought how this is most likely a mythological made belief. Well i honestly have a hard time looking some theist face to face if this honestly makes sense to them. I mean i am not jewish but i can atleast understand how that one atleast makes a tad bit more sense. Ok. So you are dead, ok your body is destroyed, your god heals you, and Gehenna in judaism is ment to purify your soul not burn you for eternity. Actually the devil is simply an accuser, someone who wishes people to fall astray.. now that actually makes more sense than the sects after it with christianity and islam.

Although hadnt it been for Christianity we wouldnt have gotten some inspirational stories like this. But in the end its just pure fairy tales. What do you think?

In my brief experience of it.

Hell is not about fire. It is darkness. a black mess that consumes your being, and your emotional physical reaction to it is that of being burned but on like the 10th degree. It is far far worse than just being burned, it just our only understanding of the fear/primal reaction is that of a wild animal being consumed by this... Hell fire.
The bible over and over again, even and especially through the teachings of Jesus we are taught that Hell fire consumes the soul. That we are destroyed by it. As the darkness began to consume me and I accepted my fate I felt the emotional bond that held my soul/spirit together began to break up as I fell into an insanity of primal reaction to all the fear and pain. IDK if we all endure the same levels of Hell or not, but I do know while Hell is eternal and the devil Himself is to be punished for ever, 'we' get consumed to one degree or another by the Hell fire. What makes us.. people crumbles into and past insanity as we yield to the fear and pain. IDK if it is on to oblivion or if we are just reduced down to our core components that can't derive consciousness thoughts apart from one another. But I felt like that was my next step once I accepted or tried to wrap my head around an eternity of this fear and pain...

I'm not sure but Our time in Hell (before we are consumed) is based on our ability to accept and repent.. that accept that God is good and just for having you there and finally repent of your sin. If you find yourself in the same spot I was in, better to let it go in the abyss (black hole) as I was told that was merely the gates/passing through the gate.

Oh, and Hell was named after a place not far from Jerusalem where the diseased or unclaimed dead was buried with the trash. It was a massive fire pit the burned 24/7

[Mister Agenda]

If only saying it makes it so.

Saying so doesn't make it so, but if you testify with the truthful tongue, you will know it. That is because the truthful tongue, love, sight of the heart and hearing of the heart, are connected, and as I shown in a thread, truthfulness is a way to make distinction between justified beliefs and unjustified beliefs, to the extent it's impossible to truthfully believe what you don't know. If you can testify you will be doing away with the irrational whispers of dark forces that cloud you into denial of what you otherwise should know with eyes of certainty.

That's not only bullshit, it's necessarily bullshit. It's not only false, it perniciously undermines the very idea that truth matters. Your sincerity and certainty are irrelevant to your factuality. No matter how sure you are that you're right, you can still be wrong.

[masterofpuppets]

Why does Hell even need to exist? Couldn't God just make people experience eternal pain and suffering without needing to use Hell as the method of doing so? It seems like God is taking an awful lot of unnecessary steps for someone who can do literally anything.

[Mystic]

1st of all a book from God like any book can illuminate the truth but never itself justify an action. It can reveal actions that are justified and why we ought to do them, but it can never be used to justify evil.

If it had this evil, than it would be reason to reject it as comprehensively all from God, but it would never justify evil.

In the case of Quran, reason comes before "scriptures" attributed to God, and is what illuminates the holy books and will make you know it is true.

I know you believe scriptures never justify evil but I thought it's necessary to make clear holy books never justify behaviour unless it manifests and reminds of beauty of it, giving it context, and manifesting its goodness.

If it had no proofs of being from God, it would be contradictory in nature with many contradictions with regards to guidance and should be rejected as well simply based on the various verses condemning following without proof or clinging to leadership without proof which would be expected in any guidance from God!

Mystic, again, I am being fair to you. The Koran suffers the same thing the Christian Bible and Jewish OT suffer from. LOGIC.

Even if I suddenly said "that makes sense", here is the problem with all those books of Abraham.

Efficiency. 

If one is to claim your God is all powerful be it Allah or Yahweh or Jesus, then why if your dad wants everyone on the same page, would you go out of your way to allow your kids to fight over your instructions? 

Just your umbrella label alone "Islam" as Sunnis and Shiites needlessly murder each other over the same Koran because nobody can agree on how that "instruction manual" should be interpreted. 

It is also the same problem the Bible has. You won't get a Trump voting evangelical Baptist to agree with an Obama voting Baptist. But those Christians still share the same "instruction manual".

I'd love to see the Middle East live in peace. I would love to see Sunnis and Shiites get along. I would love it even more if Jews and Muslims would get along. 

There are even divisions between Jews in Israel. They also have their far right conservative hyper nationalists whom I don't like. There are liberal Jews in Israel who don't agree with their far right. 

But this is the problem EVERY religion suffers from. Even under the same holy writing you have sub sects that don't agree as to who got the interpretation of the writing correct. You wont even find 100% agreement among Buddhist. A Tibet Buddhist will not agree with a Chinese Buddhist, and a Chinese Buddhist wont agree with a Japanese Shinto Buddhist.

If you truly care about your fellow human and you want less violence and war like I do, you really need to understand this.

You are essentially saying because people differ with the truth, God would not manifest a book that manifests the truth in the best way and appointed leaders as interpreters? I don't understand your argument.

People are disputing anyways. You don't even believe in God, so this goes well with what you see, that people dispute over the truth and people follow all sorts of things out of their caprice and not knowledge or sincerity to the truth.

Why would God not attempt to guide humanity then? Why wouln't there be a book of guidance that cannot be misinterpreted but by rejecting some parts over other parts and purposely ignoring what itself clarifies? Why would he not appointed interprets who see it in the best manner and interpret all correctly? Why would he not give us leadership so we can be at the mercy at misguiding leadership?

I am trying to see what you are trying to argue. People disputing and differing over the truth and holy books, to me, just emphasizes the need of a leader from God, a Captain that will guide the just city on the course it is meant to be driven at where all the parts will come together due to the Captain and navigate them the proper way as Socrates argued.