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RE: Why doesn't hell in Islam and Christianity have Cold as torture?
April 5, 2017 at 8:27 pm
(April 2, 2017 at 11:46 am)MysticKnight Wrote: The Quran says you can see hell with the eye of certainty if you have certain knowledge! What does this mean? It also states everyone must cross it, what does this mean? It also states in this world hell encompasses the disbelievers! What does this mean?
Indeed the life in the grave is a between stage where reality is opened, but the reality we will be awakened to which is all our actions alive and connected to us, the hour when it is revealed as opposed to being hidden right now, will unfold on the day of judgment, our actions will take on reality with regards to God's light which is his just judgment, it is then we will have the most accurate view of ourselves and others.
But people who awakened their 6th sense can see the hell in this world given they aren't awakened and at the mercy of misguiding Jinn, and they can see and scent things we have not.
The Quran also mentions the tree of Zaquum which is heads of devils and is the food of hell, but another verse says they will taste nothing but piss. So what does this all mean? It's reality of uncleanness. The fire is as well a metaphor for this awful stench, this awful tasting drink, and it will be like fire on the skin, except there is no real skin, and every time people come use to it which is their metaphorical skin of their souls, it will be changed to a new level which means the skin itself is a new revelation of the uncleanness that they were, which will increase the taste of Zaquum to be worse and there is no getting use to the fire.
There are but 19 Angels that are guardians over the hell and entrusted to afflicting the punishment, they are obedient and do what they are told. Firm in obedience, if told to cut to pieces (metaphorically our hearts when polytheistic deserve this) a person and throw him in hell, they do so fast.
Those who think evil has no negative form and vision from the positive light, who think little of evil deeds, and that God doesn't see it exactly as it is, obviously will not fear hell.
Those who remember that which truly sees things as they are, sees our deeds as they are, naturally will fear their actions coming to life from the book they themselves write by their own actions.
May God curse the dark enemy of humanity who takes the fear away from the place which is distant from God and evil is it's staying place, and makes people mock what he himself fears.
I still haven't the foggiest idea what MysticKnight is saying??? Or what he is saying relates to the subject.
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RE: Why doesn't hell in Islam and Christianity have Cold as torture?
April 6, 2017 at 10:04 pm
(April 2, 2017 at 10:04 am)Spixri Wrote: Ice kills too? So whats the big deal?
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Although hadnt it been for Christianity we wouldnt have gotten some inspirational stories like this. But in the end its just pure fairy tales. What do you think? Death by hypothermia can be quite nice (and therefore dangerous).
Death by burning is never pleasant.
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RE: Why doesn't hell in Islam and Christianity have Cold as torture?
April 7, 2017 at 8:59 am
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(April 3, 2017 at 2:04 pm)masterofpuppets Wrote: Why does Hell even need to exist? Couldn't God just make people experience eternal pain and suffering without needing to use Hell as the method of doing so? It seems like God is taking an awful lot of unnecessary steps for someone who can do literally anything.
Hell is not a place. it is the end of creation. I imagine it is the empty void God call creation out of. So in essence we pledge to be apart of what God created or we get cast into the nothingness that would consume/destroy us.
I say that because there is no day "hell was created." Only in the beginning there was empty darkness.
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RE: Why doesn't hell in Islam and Christianity have Cold as torture?
April 7, 2017 at 10:05 am
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(April 2, 2017 at 11:46 am)MysticKnight Wrote: Those who think evil has no negative form and vision from the positive light, who think little of evil deeds, and that God doesn't see it exactly as it is, obviously will not fear hell.
Those who remember that which truly sees things as they are, sees our deeds as they are, naturally will fear their actions coming to life from the book they themselves write by their own actions.
May God curse the dark enemy of humanity who takes the fear away from the place which is distant from God and evil is it's staying place, and makes people mock what he himself fears.
The worst thing a believer can do, is considering religion a personal property.
As insane and haunted as they are, their brains scream with mental problems. But they can't see them because they're too busy looking elsewhere.
I do believe Satan exists.
But I also believe in the darkness of human soul, and that it's more dangerous than Satan himself.
It is mentioned in the Quran -the book you thought is a personal possession you poses..and probably the Shiite AyatoAllah next door too-:
Sura 4, The Quran
( 76 ) Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who disbelieve fight in the cause of Taghut. So fight against the allies of Satan. Indeed, the plot of Satan has ever been weak.
Stop blaming every problem you have in life on Satan. His plot is weak, if you really believe Islam.
In fact, the Quran said about humans:
Sura 19, The Quran
( 96 ) Indeed, those who have believed and done righteous deeds - the Most Merciful will appoint for them affection.
( 97 ) So, [O Muhammad], We have only made Qur'an easy in the Arabic language that you may give good tidings thereby to the righteous and warn thereby a very hostile people.
( 98 ) And how many have We destroyed before them of generations? Do you perceive of them anyone or hear from them a sound?
Weak vs Very hostile.
Who wins?
I also quote God about what Satan will say:
Sura 14, The Quran
( 22 ) And Satan will say when the matter has been concluded, "Indeed, Allah had promised you the promise of truth. And I promised you, but I betrayed you. But I had no authority over you except that I invited you, and you responded to me. So do not blame me; but blame yourselves. I cannot be called to your aid, nor can you be called to my aid. Indeed, I deny your association of me [with Allah] before. Indeed, for the wrongdoers is a painful punishment."
again, stop throwing your personal problems on Satan; the darth vade...I mean dark enemy.
Evil lives deep in humanity, why did God put verse 22 of Sura 14?
Stop lying and stop missionary calls; you might fool an atheist or two, but believe me I as a Muslim will laugh.
Then all of us will eat Kabab..
Atheists might eat pork burger; IDK.
Just stop. I believe you, just like I believe Kim Jung Un.
I dislike Ali.
I think Abu Bakr was a better man.
(April 7, 2017 at 8:59 am)Drich Wrote: (April 3, 2017 at 2:04 pm)masterofpuppets Wrote: Why does Hell even need to exist? Couldn't God just make people experience eternal pain and suffering without needing to use Hell as the method of doing so? It seems like God is taking an awful lot of unnecessary steps for someone who can do literally anything.
Hell is not a place. it is the end of creation. I imagine it is the empty void God call creation out of. So in essence we pledge to be apart of what God created or we get cast into the nothingness that would consume/destroy us.
I say that because there is no day "hell was created." Only in the beginning there was empty darkness.
http://www.biblestudytools.com/topical-v...le-verses/
50 and throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
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