Bernie Sanders on Worker Co-Ops

[Chad32]

Bernie desperately needs to form his equivalent of the goddamn Clinton Foundation and get out and start solving some fucking problems.  Get his ass down to Venezuela and have him show those stupid sterbs, cretins, and maroons how they're doing it wrong.

At least he's been going to town halls and rallying people, instead of hiking in the woods since he lost.

Now it doesn't really matter how many votes Jill Stein got, when 19% of democrats went to Trump. Hillary had no message for change. She still doesn't really have a message, besides maintaining the status quo. I don't get why anyone would blame people who didn't vote for Trump for Trump's victory. No one is entitled to votes. if Hillary didn't get enough, it's because she didn't do enough.

[Tiberius]

Bernie supporters overwhelmingly voted for Clinton. She won the popular vote. She lost because, among other things, she didn't campaign very well in the rust belt, some of which formed part of her "firewall", which collapsed. She was also one of the most unlikable candidates in US history.

Like it or not min, those are the facts, and instead of trying to blame people who are trying to work for a better future, maybe you should join them instead.

Facts?  So I suppose these aren't?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/prog...5a227cb859

In the last election many self-identified progressives either stayed home or voted for a third party candidate. In doing so they helped elect Donald Trump. Hillary Clinton lost three states that made the difference in the Electoral College by a total of less than one hundred thousand votes despite winning the popular vote by nearly three million.

In two of those states, Michigan and Wisconsin, the number of votes Stein and the Green Party received were more than Hillary lost those states by. In Pennsylvania Hillary lost by only a few more votes than Stein got. So if you stayed home or voted for Stein, a candidate everyone understood had ZERO chance to win, you helped elect Trump. Nut cases like Susan Sarandon, who notoriously said “Clinton is more dangerous than Trump” must accept their share of responsibility for what is happening now in America to African Americans, Muslims, immigrants, women, children and the LGBT community.

The problem with progressives was that they believed the polls and figured they could tend to their wounded little egos and sit on their asses because Hillary was going to win anyway.  Well, they got what they deserve.

What does Jill Stein have to do with this? Bernie didn't support her, Bernie supporters didn't support her.

These are the facts I'm talking about: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-...a9c9b7ef91

I know you love to bash third parties because you think they caused Clinton to lose but it's just not true. The votes were up for grabs, and Clinton wasn't popular enough to make people get out and vote for her. If you want someone to blame, its the Democrats. I, on the other hand, think the time for blaming is over and we should be trying to work together for a better future. That means Clinton supporters can drop the animosity to all things Bernie Sanders, and likewise, Sanders supporters can focus on how to get an electable Democratic candidate for 2020.

[dyresand]

Facts?  So I suppose these aren't?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/prog...5a227cb859


The problem with progressives was that they believed the polls and figured they could tend to their wounded little egos and sit on their asses because Hillary was going to win anyway.  Well, they got what they deserve.

What does Jill Stein have to do with this? Bernie didn't support her, Bernie supporters didn't support her.

These are the facts I'm talking about: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-...a9c9b7ef91

I know you love to bash third parties because you think they caused Clinton to lose but it's just not true. The votes were up for grabs, and Clinton wasn't popular enough to make people get out and vote for her. If you want someone to blame, its the Democrats. I, on the other hand, think the time for blaming is over and we should be trying to work together for a better future. That means Clinton supporters can drop the animosity to all things Bernie Sanders, and likewise, Sanders supporters can focus on how to get an electable Democratic candidate for 2020.

I voted for her out of good conscience i knew my state was going to Trump 
it didn't matter so i voted for Jill. But yeah Popular vote is trash and pretty much useless
unless you know we got rid of the electoral votes and opened the primary for anyone to run
then yeah she would have definitely won.

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Hillary stands for a failed status qou that failed the American people
that also put American people into poverty that which in turn caused
the growth of the lower class in America. No one in good mindset likes
the Clinton's they will sell you out in a heart beat if they get enough money.
At a point the Democratic party stood for a message and they stood for principles
and at that point they didn't take big donor money. You look at the party now you have
the Nancy Pelosi's Joe Manchin's and great talking people like Obama they don't stand for shit.
Obama i give him the Benefit of the doubt at one point he did stand for something at the end of it he didn't.
We could be like other first world countries with free healthcare, education, better infrastructure and better everything
we don't get this because the democratic party is ran by paid off pieces shit like Hillary. You can't tell me a good reason
like her i mean they play that identity politics bullshit against the right calling them racists, misogynists, etc.
I mean i find it ironic... i mean Hillary called black youths super predators and made a racist commercial about Obama,
joked about Obama being killed because he is black, then her racist polices, and the other joke about colored peoples times.
She is also a liar.... on top of everything... this is why Trump won she never had the minority vote to begin with and never have it
she may have won the popular vote but still i mean look at choices you had.
/rant

but yeah... Bernie Sanders he is doing a great job also Tulsi Gabbarad is a great person too even Jill and other
real progressives that are making a change

[Pat Mustard]

But people who said "not Hillary" are the reason we have the WLB.

Ironic, huh?

Bernie supporters overwhelmingly voted for Clinton. She won the popular vote. She lost because, among other things, she didn't campaign very well in the rust belt, some of which formed part of her "firewall", which collapsed. She was also one of the most unlikable candidates in US history.

Like it or not min, those are the facts, and instead of trying to blame people who are trying to work for a better future, maybe you should join them instead.

It was more a case of the Republitraitors vote stealing operations being concentrated in the rust belt an Florida than Clinton not visiting. Remember the swing away from Clinoton winning to Trump winning in every state between exit poll and count was well larger than tge 2% figure the US deems the cut off point for recognising any foreign election as free and fair (so by the country's own rules the 2016 election was deemed stolen), and then we've got Wisconscin, the only rust belt state with full figures, where before the election half a million people were illegally disenfranchised on race grounds, and a further 76,000 people voted but didn't have their votes counted, most of them in urban areas where the vote was already 65%+ for Clinton.

All this adds up to a situation where the Democrats would have lost even if they ran the second coming of Jesus.