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Without the Shedding of Blood There is No Remission of Sin
RE: Without the Shedding of Blood There is No Remission of Sin
So what makes ISIS evil?
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RE: Without the Shedding of Blood There is No Remission of Sin
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RE: Without the Shedding of Blood There is No Remission of Sin
(May 17, 2017 at 10:37 am)Cyberman Wrote: So what makes ISIS evil?

In this side of the world our might.
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RE: Without the Shedding of Blood There is No Remission of Sin
(May 19, 2017 at 8:27 am)Drich Wrote:
(May 17, 2017 at 10:37 am)Cyberman Wrote: So what makes ISIS evil?

In this side of the world our might.

So, because we're stronger than them, they're evil?
"The last superstition of the human mind is the superstition that religion in itself is a good thing."  - Samuel Porter Putnam
 
           

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RE: Without the Shedding of Blood There is No Remission of Sin
Yeah, we know, might makes right and "God" is the almightiest blah blah blah.

In the exact same post in which you declared ISIS - an extremist group known for its killing - as "evil fruit", you also said in regards to your god killing its children:

(May 8, 2017 at 8:48 am)Drich Wrote: What makes death the ultimate evil? what even makes it a sin? what even makes it wrong? You do know everyone dies?

So again, what makes ISIS evil? What makes their fruit even a sin?
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist.  This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair.  Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second.  That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: Without the Shedding of Blood There is No Remission of Sin
Why there is no remission of sins without shedding of blood?

Well, if you think about it a bit...

John did something that upset God. God surveyed his large tome of Law and found... there was a law against that. So God goes to John.
God: "John, you did something illegal."
John: "Okay. That's bad. What should I do to fix it?"
God: "Kill George."

Sounds logical and fair, doesn't it?

NOTE: For this allegory I have assumed that all God's creation is equal to him. That is, the life and suffering of a cattle is just as important as that of a man, because God created both.
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RE: Without the Shedding of Blood There is No Remission of Sin
(May 14, 2017 at 12:39 pm)Lek Wrote:
(May 13, 2017 at 11:00 pm)Grandizer Wrote: How then does one identify the fruits of salvation as opposed to just good works? I sort of remember Jesus saying in the Gospels that you shall know them by their fruits.

What he is saying that you will be able to separate the ones who just claim to have faith from the ones who really do have faith by their works.  If someone claims to faith, but has no good works then they are lying.

So if someone didn't claim faith, but they had good works, no one can ever tell if they're good works from God or not? Why exactly are people able to do good works anyway outside of salvation? It doesn't sound right if the only difference is that every good work performed by a non-Christian is tainted by sin.
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RE: Without the Shedding of Blood There is No Remission of Sin
Drich Wrote:Evil is a word that describes an extreme desire or act that puts one directly outside the expressed will of God.

Is it not the express will of god that people keep the sabbath? This was so important to god that he issued capital punishment to those who violated it in the slightest. Yet, Jesus taught that the sabbath was jest a suggestion that could be ignored whenever it proved inconvenient. So according to your definition, Jesus was evil. Is that not why in the end god forsook him?
The god who allows children to be raped out of respect for the free will choice of the rapist, but punishes gay men for engaging in mutually consensual sex couldn't possibly be responsible for an intelligently designed universe.

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RE: Without the Shedding of Blood There is No Remission of Sin
(May 19, 2017 at 8:34 am)Harry Nevis Wrote:
(May 19, 2017 at 8:27 am)Drich Wrote: In this side of the world our might.

So, because we're stronger than them, they're evil?

Because we are stronger here we decide what evil is. Because they are strong there they get to decide.

Show me a civilization or social order where this is not true.

(May 19, 2017 at 8:47 am)Cyberman Wrote: Yeah, we know, might makes right and "God" is the almightiest blah blah blah.

In the exact same post in which you declared ISIS - an extremist group known for its killing - as "evil fruit", you also said in regards to your god killing its children:

(May 8, 2017 at 8:48 am)Drich Wrote: What makes death the ultimate evil? what even makes it a sin? what even makes it wrong? You do know everyone dies?

So again, what makes ISIS evil? What makes their fruit even a sin?

Again our collective might.. In my case God's law, and in your's societal morality.

I also point out "we" have no problem Killing ISIS's children either.

(May 19, 2017 at 11:22 am)Zenith Wrote: Why there is no remission of sins without shedding of blood?

Well, if you think about it a bit...

John did something that upset God. God surveyed his large tome of Law and found... there was a law against that. So God goes to John.
God: "John, you did something illegal."
John: "Okay. That's bad. What should I do to fix it?"
God: "I'll send my son to fix it for you, just honor my Son and what he did to fix your sin."

Sounds logical and fair, doesn't it?

NOTE: For this allegory I have assumed that all God's creation is equal to him. That is, the life and suffering of a cattle is just as important as that of a man, because God created both.

fixed it for you

(May 19, 2017 at 11:24 am)Grandizer Wrote:
(May 14, 2017 at 12:39 pm)Lek Wrote: What he is saying that you will be able to separate the ones who just claim to have faith from the ones who really do have faith by their works.  If someone claims to faith, but has no good works then they are lying.

So if someone didn't claim faith, but they had good works, no one can ever tell if they're good works from God or not? Why exactly are people able to do good works anyway outside of salvation? It doesn't sound right if the only difference is that every good work performed by a non-Christian is tainted by sin.

Here's the problem...

Apart from God.. What is "Good?"

Apart from God you are simply going through the motions of baking a cake. With God you now have the ingredients to actually make a cake 'good.'

(May 19, 2017 at 11:48 am)Rhondazvous Wrote:
Drich Wrote:Evil is a word that describes an extreme desire or act that puts one directly outside the expressed will of God.

Is it not the express will of god that people keep the sabbath? This was so important to god that he issued capital punishment to those who violated it in the slightest. Yet, Jesus taught that the sabbath was jest a suggestion that could be ignored whenever it proved inconvenient. So according to your definition, Jesus was evil. Is that not why in the end god forsook him?

No what Jesus taught was what God meant by Keeping the Sabbath holy, In other words the spirit of the law/what God wanted when he issued the command. The contrast between what Christ taught and what the law of moses morphed into is the difference between the law of God and the law of man, or rather God's righteousness and man's morality.
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RE: Without the Shedding of Blood There is No Remission of Sin
(May 20, 2017 at 10:54 am)Drich Wrote:
(May 19, 2017 at 11:22 am)Zenith Wrote: Why there is no remission of sins without shedding of blood?

Well, if you think about it a bit...

John did something that upset God. God surveyed his large tome of Law and found... there was a law against that. So God goes to John.
God: "John, you did something illegal."
John: "Okay. That's bad. What should I do to fix it?"
God: "I'll send my son to fix it for you, just honor my Son and what he did to fix your sin."

Sounds logical and fair, doesn't it?

NOTE: For this allegory I have assumed that all God's creation is equal to him. That is, the life and suffering of a cattle is just as important as that of a man, because God created both.

fixed it for you

More like, "I'll send my son for you to kill. Then you'll have to worship him, or else I'll kill you."

Sounds better now, doesn't it?
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