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RE: Without the Shedding of Blood There is No Remission of Sin
April 29, 2017 at 1:50 pm
(April 28, 2017 at 4:43 pm)Drich Wrote: Stuff
Okay Drich man thanks for the response! I'll get to it a little later.. I really would like to know SteveII and Lek's input on whether you are all on the same page regarding this question before I respond. If they've got the tenacity to reply, that is.
Luckie Wrote:Tell me guys, if your self professed god irrefutably came and told you personally, without any doubt of his validity or your perception of reality-- to rip a baby out of its mothers womb and smash its head across the rocks, would you do it???
If I were to create self aware beings knowing fully what they would do in their lifetimes, I sure wouldn't create a HELL for the majority of them to live in infinitely! That's not Love, that's sadistic. Therefore a truly loving god does not exist!
Quote:The sin is against an infinite being (God) unforgiven infinitely, therefore the punishment is infinite.
Dead wrong. The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment.
Quote:Some people deserve hell.
I say again: No exceptions. Punishment should be equal to the crime, not in excess of it. As soon as the punishment is greater than the crime, the punisher is in the wrong.
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RE: Without the Shedding of Blood There is No Remission of Sin
April 29, 2017 at 8:52 pm
(April 29, 2017 at 1:50 pm)Luckie Wrote: (April 28, 2017 at 4:43 pm)Drich Wrote: Stuff
Okay Drich man thanks for the response! I'll get to it a little later.. I really would like to know SteveII and Lek's input on whether you are all on the same page regarding this question before I respond. If they've got the tenacity to reply, that is.
Luckie Wrote:Tell me guys, if your self professed god irrefutably came and told you personally, without any doubt of his validity or your perception of reality-- to rip a baby out of its mothers womb and smash its head across the rocks, would you do it???
Your hypothetical is impossible, so an answer is just nonsense.
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RE: Without the Shedding of Blood There is No Remission of Sin
April 29, 2017 at 9:25 pm
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(April 29, 2017 at 8:52 pm)SteveII Wrote: (April 29, 2017 at 1:50 pm)Luckie Wrote: Okay Drich man thanks for the response! I'll get to it a little later.. I really would like to know SteveII and Lek's input on whether you are all on the same page regarding this question before I respond. If they've got the tenacity to reply, that is.
Your hypothetical is impossible, so an answer is just nonsense.
It wasn't impossible in the OT, when they were doing it, so why isnt a practice in your religious beliefs as a hypothetical, irrelevant? I hear Christians ask all the time, "would you have done this.. or that.. if you were in X situation in the OT" and quite often it's something that reflects well upon the Christian. "I wouldn't have sold Jesus out! How could Judas have done that having seen the miracles of God?!" , or, famously "I probably could have made it through the tests of Job."
Why is answering my question nonsense then?
Drich you are getting a response. I'm just waiting for Steve and Lek to weigh in.
If I were to create self aware beings knowing fully what they would do in their lifetimes, I sure wouldn't create a HELL for the majority of them to live in infinitely! That's not Love, that's sadistic. Therefore a truly loving god does not exist!
Quote:The sin is against an infinite being (God) unforgiven infinitely, therefore the punishment is infinite.
Dead wrong. The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment.
Quote:Some people deserve hell.
I say again: No exceptions. Punishment should be equal to the crime, not in excess of it. As soon as the punishment is greater than the crime, the punisher is in the wrong.
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RE: Without the Shedding of Blood There is No Remission of Sin
April 29, 2017 at 9:50 pm
(April 29, 2017 at 9:25 pm)Luckie Wrote: (April 29, 2017 at 8:52 pm)SteveII Wrote: Your hypothetical is impossible, so an answer is just nonsense.
It wasn't impossible in the OT, when they were doing it, so why isnt a practice in your religious beliefs as a hypothetical, irrelevant? I hear Christians ask all the time, "would you have done this.. or that.. if you were in X situation in the OT" and quite often it's something that reflects well upon the Christian. "I wouldn't have sold Jesus out! How could Judas have done that having seen the miracles of God?!" , or, famously "I probably could have made it through the tests of Job."
Why is answering my question nonsense then?
Drich you are getting a response. I'm just waiting for Steve and Lek to weigh in.
I'm a Christian, not an OT Jew who is a citizen of a Theocracy in a story that was written down centuries after the fact. If you have read the NT, then I don't need to point out the hundreds of passages that instruct peacefully living with everyone, turning the other cheek, loving your neighbor as yourself. That is the covenant we find ourselves under and not the theocracy that ended 3100 years ago and so, it is impossible that such a command be issued under the current covenant so therefore an answer would be nonsense.
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RE: Without the Shedding of Blood There is No Remission of Sin
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RE: Without the Shedding of Blood There is No Remission of Sin
April 30, 2017 at 11:01 am
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RE: Without the Shedding of Blood There is No Remission of Sin
April 30, 2017 at 9:00 pm
So two wrongs make a right, is that your position?
Also, show me where it says that about the devils seedling children. Might wanna tell these guys they're doin it wrong!
I don't recall him saying, the kingdom of heaven belongs to Jewish, non devil seed children such as these..
Where's Lek? Did Steve run off?
Typical.
This is why I like dealing with Drich. He doesn't run off from the tough questions. Even if his answers induce full on secular terror!
If I were to create self aware beings knowing fully what they would do in their lifetimes, I sure wouldn't create a HELL for the majority of them to live in infinitely! That's not Love, that's sadistic. Therefore a truly loving god does not exist!
Quote:The sin is against an infinite being (God) unforgiven infinitely, therefore the punishment is infinite.
Dead wrong. The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment.
Quote:Some people deserve hell.
I say again: No exceptions. Punishment should be equal to the crime, not in excess of it. As soon as the punishment is greater than the crime, the punisher is in the wrong.
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RE: Without the Shedding of Blood There is No Remission of Sin
April 30, 2017 at 10:27 pm
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(April 29, 2017 at 1:50 pm)Luckie Wrote: Luckie Wrote:Tell me guys, if your self professed god irrefutably came and told you personally, without any doubt of his validity or your perception of reality-- to rip a baby out of its mothers womb and smash its head across the rocks, would you do it???
BTW:
The fetus is Amelekite, right ?
The granting of a pardon is an imputation of guilt, and the acceptance a confession of it.
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RE: Without the Shedding of Blood There is No Remission of Sin
May 1, 2017 at 3:48 am
If I were to create self aware beings knowing fully what they would do in their lifetimes, I sure wouldn't create a HELL for the majority of them to live in infinitely! That's not Love, that's sadistic. Therefore a truly loving god does not exist!
Quote:The sin is against an infinite being (God) unforgiven infinitely, therefore the punishment is infinite.
Dead wrong. The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment.
Quote:Some people deserve hell.
I say again: No exceptions. Punishment should be equal to the crime, not in excess of it. As soon as the punishment is greater than the crime, the punisher is in the wrong.
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